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Which one is better (auto vs. manual)?
11-28-2005, 07:17 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by CRAGER
M6- Can handle alot more power, like my 427.
A4- Can't handle a Tornado. lol
The 4l60 is garbage, if you want your car for the track you'll pull out either one and slap a TH350 in there anyway.
So in my opinion...M6 hands down.
Peace,
Craig.
A4- Can't handle a Tornado. lol
The 4l60 is garbage, if you want your car for the track you'll pull out either one and slap a TH350 in there anyway.
So in my opinion...M6 hands down.
Peace,
Craig.
Plus we do have a few options for running fast in built 4L60E's. Here is a sig of a board member here. Quite impressive I would say:
00 T/A Vert Incons
3855# Raceweight
9.98 @ 142
Rock On Transmissions 4l60e
Now that's not a cheap tranny. But then again high end clutches are not easy on the wallet either. And not everyone wants to make 500 rwhp+. For the bolt-on/Cam only crowd the 4L60E route with a stall and tranny cooler can make a relatively quicker and more economical street/strip car that can survive on the 10 bolt.
Last edited by darrensls1; 11-28-2005 at 07:23 AM.
11-28-2005, 07:28 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
On the contrary, plenty of 4L60E's are running 400rwhp with 3500+ stalls. The key to making a 4L60E survive is keeping it cool. 24K coolers are a great investment and only cost $50!
Plus we do have a few options for running fast in built 4L60E's. Here is a sig of a board member here. Quite impressive I would say:
00 T/A Vert Incons
3855# Raceweight
9.98 @ 142
Rock On Transmissions 4l60e
When you consider the costs involved in building a M6 car to handle big power, it makes just as much sense to go with a 4L60E. Then when it dies either go with a Powerglide, TH400/TH350 or Rock On 4L60E depending on how much power you are planning.
Bolt-on's + Converter + slicks + stock 4L60E = One nice street/strip car that can keep the budget in check. You do this with a M6 and you better add a clutch and rearend to your Christmas list this year.
Plus we do have a few options for running fast in built 4L60E's. Here is a sig of a board member here. Quite impressive I would say:
00 T/A Vert Incons
3855# Raceweight
9.98 @ 142
Rock On Transmissions 4l60e
When you consider the costs involved in building a M6 car to handle big power, it makes just as much sense to go with a 4L60E. Then when it dies either go with a Powerglide, TH400/TH350 or Rock On 4L60E depending on how much power you are planning.
Bolt-on's + Converter + slicks + stock 4L60E = One nice street/strip car that can keep the budget in check. You do this with a M6 and you better add a clutch and rearend to your Christmas list this year.
But too many times have I seen people with just bolt-ons fry them, even with tranny coolers. Now I don't know how long they've lasted or the abuse they put them through.
Just out of the box, stock either tranny the 4L60 can't handle crap compaired to the T-56. You just need a good clutch.
True you can build up either one, but most go for a powerglide, TH350, or TH400.
Another person with a built up 4L60 I've met is an MTI customer Dave Marrow (sp). 427 C5R with gas running like 9.4-9.5's with a heavy *** C5 vette with a big *** stereo and monitors.
Peace,
Craig.
11-28-2005, 07:35 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
.........................Real Men Row Their Own............................. 
Guys with bigger stalls have bigger *****. Since manuals are running 0 rpm stalls well............. They tend to fall a little short compared to the 4000+ crowd
Real men take responsibilities for thier actions. Real men take care of thier families. Real men help the less fortunate when the opportunity presents itself. But a car or a transmission will NEVER make you a man. It's what you do and how you are when you are not driving your car that will determine that.
11-28-2005, 07:42 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
...Guys with bigger stalls have bigger *****. Since manuals are running 0 rpm stalls well............. They tend to fall a little short compared to the 4000+ crowd
No, no, no...the M6 has a "0- what ever your rev limiter is stall." It's a fully adjustable stall! hahaPeace,
Craig.
11-28-2005, 07:45 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by CRAGER
Make a M6 handle big power? How about a bone stock one behind my 427? Try that with a bone stock 4L60, it will not last one pass. I know "some" guys will have some stock 4L60's last a little bit, hell another Moderator I know mmiller had one last until he sold it. He was heads/cam clicking off high 10's/ low 11's. But he never ever drove it around.
But too many times have I seen people with just bolt-ons fry them, even with tranny coolers. Now I don't know how long they've lasted or the abuse they put them through.
Just out of the box, stock either tranny the 4L60 can't handle crap compaired to the T-56. You just need a good clutch.
True you can build up either one, but most go for a powerglide, TH350, or TH400.
Another person with a built up 4L60 I've met is an MTI customer Dave Marrow (sp). 427 C5R with gas running like 9.4-9.5's with a heavy *** C5 vette with a big *** stereo and monitors.
Peace,
Craig.
But too many times have I seen people with just bolt-ons fry them, even with tranny coolers. Now I don't know how long they've lasted or the abuse they put them through.
Just out of the box, stock either tranny the 4L60 can't handle crap compaired to the T-56. You just need a good clutch.
True you can build up either one, but most go for a powerglide, TH350, or TH400.
Another person with a built up 4L60 I've met is an MTI customer Dave Marrow (sp). 427 C5R with gas running like 9.4-9.5's with a heavy *** C5 vette with a big *** stereo and monitors.
Peace,
Craig.
And after reading a bit in the manual tranny section here, it's not like you guys don't have your share of "help my tranny is acting funny" posts.While I agree with you that for 500 rwhp the T56 makes a good choice, I think the 4L60E makes a good one for 350-400 rwhp because you can get away with a stock 10 bolt. And I think we both agree that 700+ rwhp means you're screwed with either tranny and should be looking at the powerglide or TH400.
11-28-2005, 07:47 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by CRAGER
LOL! No, no, no...the M6 has a "0- what ever your rev limiter is stall." It's a fully adjustable stall! haha
Peace,
Craig.
No, no, no...the M6 has a "0- what ever your rev limiter is stall." It's a fully adjustable stall! hahaPeace,
Craig.
Now that was funny. Good one Craig.
11-30-2005, 01:58 AM
#107
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[QUOTE]Thanks guys, I'll have to look around for a good converter and some good gears ( I know I could use the search button, but any suggestions? ). I was nervous because before I started looking at Firebirds I was going to be getting an SRT-4 and I have 2 videos ( the only two I've seen so far ) of SRT-4's spanking auto's.
I can tell you from experience that an SRT-4 will not beat an auto LS1 stock for stock. I raced one that had exhaust on it from a roll and the SRT-4 didnt hang with me all that well. I have had my A4 for about 2 months now and dont regret getting an auto.
I can tell you from experience that an SRT-4 will not beat an auto LS1 stock for stock. I raced one that had exhaust on it from a roll and the SRT-4 didnt hang with me all that well. I have had my A4 for about 2 months now and dont regret getting an auto.
11-30-2005, 05:41 AM
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My 4L60E lasted for 522 passes down Willowbanks 1/4 mile ( Queensland Australia )
Firstly as a bolt on Maf tuned car running 13.726 progessing to high 11's cam only / mafless tuned pushing a 2800rpm Torque Converter plus 3.9 diff gears.....3660lb car ( SV8 Commodore VY 1 )
Only mods to the trans were aftermarket cooler and Castrol Transmax Z Fuild.
The A4 did not go bang, but time slips indicated a 1/10th loss at the 330ft mark due to trans slip...........confirmed with VCM log.....Transmission still performed well on street but the never ending quest for faster times dictated a new A4 was in order
With a new 4L65 , larger 232x234 Comp cam , 4.11 diff gears / 4600TC the car now runs consistent 11.50's...... hopefully the new A4 is good for yet another 500
without breakdown 
Firstly as a bolt on Maf tuned car running 13.726 progessing to high 11's cam only / mafless tuned pushing a 2800rpm Torque Converter plus 3.9 diff gears.....3660lb car ( SV8 Commodore VY 1 )
Only mods to the trans were aftermarket cooler and Castrol Transmax Z Fuild.
The A4 did not go bang, but time slips indicated a 1/10th loss at the 330ft mark due to trans slip...........confirmed with VCM log.....Transmission still performed well on street but the never ending quest for faster times dictated a new A4 was in order
With a new 4L65 , larger 232x234 Comp cam , 4.11 diff gears / 4600TC the car now runs consistent 11.50's...... hopefully the new A4 is good for yet another 500
without breakdown 
12-03-2005, 05:52 PM
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A4 was better for me cause I wanted to get a few more ponies out of my car and not have to worry about the rear-end. If the T-56 wasn't a rear-end killer or I happened to find an ls1 to my liking in my price range with a 12 bolt or 9-inch I would've gotten it. But I couldn't.
A4s aren't bad. With a stall they're great off the line, and I can eat and talk on the phone while driving. But the M6 are still more fun (at least when not in horrible traffic.)
A4s aren't bad. With a stall they're great off the line, and I can eat and talk on the phone while driving. But the M6 are still more fun (at least when not in horrible traffic.)
12-05-2005, 10:23 AM
#113
I looked forever for an m6 but couldn't find one in my price range. Then I came across a great deal on a '98 Formula a4 and couldn't pass it up. M6s seem really hard to come by in my area for some reason.
Still having lots of fun with my car but if I ever stumbled on a m6 that I could trade in my a4 for I would probably do it if the m6 was in good shape.
Still having lots of fun with my car but if I ever stumbled on a m6 that I could trade in my a4 for I would probably do it if the m6 was in good shape.
12-06-2005, 07:32 PM
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Granted I only read the first couple pages and the last one of this post but.... some guy earlier said that M6's are not faster then A4 cars.... Thats not true at all.... stock for stock... the M6 will dominate if driven correctly....and to me if a car can pull on another car then its definitely faster then the other one... for example... a 70 mph roll 
12-09-2005, 11:01 PM
#118
Originally Posted by jrp
and people wonder why i close 90% of the a4 vs t56 threads, its always the same **** bullshit. fact remains, nobody from either camp is gonna convince the other to switch over and i've yet to read a thread where any of these posts have convinced the original poster which tranny to choose. tranny selection is personal decision, period.
