thinking about a LS1
08-03-2005, 03:18 AM
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thinking about a LS1 Hey im think about trading in for a LS1 camaro. its been my dream car but iv got a few questions. iv been hanging around the site for awhile just reading info before i joined.
currently i drive a 2004 cavalier ecotec boosted by hahn racecraft.. im running 8psi right now. jumps to 10psi when its nice and cold out. im going to be upping the boost to 12psi within the next week. i know im good for a mid 13 right now. high 12s with 12 psi if i can hook up. iv seen quite a few turbo eco's run a low/flat 13s, but trapping around 110. my goal is a mid 12.
i beat a new gto that ran a 13.6@104. i can pull a little bit on an sti from a roll. you guys can check a video of me racing my friends turbo civic and STI. the civic ran a 14.2@104 and the STI is stock
http://www.projecteco.com/Videos/cav...b18boosted.wmv
now on to the ls1. from what iv read, most can run high 12s stock.. specially here cuz were damn near at sea level.. what are the average trap speed for a mid to high 12 second ls1? iv seen from 104-110. how easy is low 12s/high 11's with bolt on's ecu tune and a cam?
are there any known problems that i should watch out for? anything premature to wear on them? iv read some info about stock clutches on pre 00 being weak? also what do u consider a "high millage" ls1? how are they as far as reliability? i understand if you beat the **** out of anything, it will break, but its a camaro, u dont buy one for gas efficient.
whast an average price tag for one? most iv seen are around 10k and have around 60-80k miles on them. any other advice is welcome
currently i drive a 2004 cavalier ecotec boosted by hahn racecraft.. im running 8psi right now. jumps to 10psi when its nice and cold out. im going to be upping the boost to 12psi within the next week. i know im good for a mid 13 right now. high 12s with 12 psi if i can hook up. iv seen quite a few turbo eco's run a low/flat 13s, but trapping around 110. my goal is a mid 12.
i beat a new gto that ran a 13.6@104. i can pull a little bit on an sti from a roll. you guys can check a video of me racing my friends turbo civic and STI. the civic ran a 14.2@104 and the STI is stock
http://www.projecteco.com/Videos/cav...b18boosted.wmv
now on to the ls1. from what iv read, most can run high 12s stock.. specially here cuz were damn near at sea level.. what are the average trap speed for a mid to high 12 second ls1? iv seen from 104-110. how easy is low 12s/high 11's with bolt on's ecu tune and a cam?
are there any known problems that i should watch out for? anything premature to wear on them? iv read some info about stock clutches on pre 00 being weak? also what do u consider a "high millage" ls1? how are they as far as reliability? i understand if you beat the **** out of anything, it will break, but its a camaro, u dont buy one for gas efficient.
whast an average price tag for one? most iv seen are around 10k and have around 60-80k miles on them. any other advice is welcome
08-03-2005, 03:20 AM
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ok i just read over my post.. sorry if it seemed like i was trying to brag about my car. wasnt my intention. just mearly wanted to state im not some newb about cars and was serious. so dont take offence to anything.
08-03-2005, 08:45 AM
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now on to the ls1. from what iv read, most can run high 12s stock.. specially here cuz were damn near at sea level.. what are the average trap speed for a mid to high 12 second ls1? iv seen from 104-110. how easy is low 12s/high 11's with bolt on's ecu tune and a cam?
are there any known problems that i should watch out for? anything premature to wear on them? iv read some info about stock clutches on pre 00 being weak? also what do u consider a "high millage" ls1? how are they as far as reliability? i understand if you beat the **** out of anything, it will break, but its a camaro, u dont buy one for gas efficient.
whast an average price tag for one? most iv seen are around 10k and have around 60-80k miles on them. any other advice is welcome
are there any known problems that i should watch out for? anything premature to wear on them? iv read some info about stock clutches on pre 00 being weak? also what do u consider a "high millage" ls1? how are they as far as reliability? i understand if you beat the **** out of anything, it will break, but its a camaro, u dont buy one for gas efficient.
whast an average price tag for one? most iv seen are around 10k and have around 60-80k miles on them. any other advice is welcome
You can run 11's with just bolt-ons and some weight reduction. With a cam, you can definately run 11's (depending on the cam choice)
Stock clutches on pre 01 are weak. But once you start modding, you need to upgrade that stuff anyway.
High mileage LS1 would be anywhere from 130,000 + They are very reliable even after that. Rear ends are the weakest link in these cars.
Average price is around 13-15k. Depending on year and mileage ofcourse.
My advice would be to ditch the Cavalier and get a LS1 Fbody
But I am a current Fbody owner, so my opinion is a given. Last edited by Keenov; 08-04-2005 at 10:01 AM.
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08-03-2005, 04:47 PM
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You have the trap speeds right for a stock LS1. But for a mid to high 12 second LS1 the traps speeds vary from 108-150 depending on the driver
You can run 11's with just bolt-ons and some weight reduction. With a cam, you can definately run 11's (depending on the cam choice)
Stock clutches on pre 01 are weak. But once you start modding, you need to upgrade that stuff anyway.
High mileage LS1 would be anywhere from 130,000 + They are very reliable even after that. Rear ends are the weakest link in these cars.
Average price is around 10-13k. Depending on year and mileage ofcourse.
My advice would be to ditch the Cavalier and get a LS1 Fbody But I am a current Fbody owner, so my opinion is a given.
You can run 11's with just bolt-ons and some weight reduction. With a cam, you can definately run 11's (depending on the cam choice)
Stock clutches on pre 01 are weak. But once you start modding, you need to upgrade that stuff anyway.
High mileage LS1 would be anywhere from 130,000 + They are very reliable even after that. Rear ends are the weakest link in these cars.
Average price is around 10-13k. Depending on year and mileage ofcourse.
My advice would be to ditch the Cavalier and get a LS1 Fbody But I am a current Fbody owner, so my opinion is a given.
08-03-2005, 05:20 PM
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Most stock LS1's will NOT run high 12's. Most stock LS1's run a low-mid 13. If you are concerned with running the 1/4 you would actually be better off with an A4. Just make sure a new torque converter is on the top of your to-do list. 
Most LS1's also don't run 11's with nothing but bolt ons. Many do and it's TOTALLY possible, but the average modded LS1 probably runs low 12's with bolt-ons and doesn't hit 11's until it's cammed. (unless you go with a power adder, then all bets are off).
Most LS1's also don't run 11's with nothing but bolt ons. Many do and it's TOTALLY possible, but the average modded LS1 probably runs low 12's with bolt-ons and doesn't hit 11's until it's cammed. (unless you go with a power adder, then all bets are off).
08-03-2005, 10:14 PM
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i love my cavi and dont really want to get rid of it. but to get it from a low 13 to a low 12 is gonna cost me a couple grand in machine and internal work.... im considering just using that couple grand towards money down on an ls1. then doing a cam and basic bolt on's.
what about a set of heads? or hypertec ecu program?
what about a set of heads? or hypertec ecu program?
08-04-2005, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by magius231
quick correction however...LS1 powered F-body cars cost anywhere from $10k to $27k depending on options. If you want a 01-02 be prepared to pay more unless it has a ton of miles. I just paid $20k for a 30,000 mile 02 T/A.
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08-04-2005, 01:23 PM
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what can i expect with a cam and basic bolt ons? maybe a set of heads? you people that are in low 12s/11s/ are you running stock rear ends? or 3.77/4.10s?
is there anything i should look for when buying them? how are the auto trannys? i know the older 700r4 had problems. and iv heard stories about ls1's overheating?
i was lookin at paying 12-15k. i know i could probley get a decent buck trade in on mine. cuz the extra 3k its gonna cost me in fuel upgrades and forged internals, i rather just trade it in/sell it and put that towards the down on z28/ws6
sweet, this site has an edit button.
btw, what does H/C mean? iv seen that on a few posts in modifications.
is there anything i should look for when buying them? how are the auto trannys? i know the older 700r4 had problems. and iv heard stories about ls1's overheating?
i was lookin at paying 12-15k. i know i could probley get a decent buck trade in on mine. cuz the extra 3k its gonna cost me in fuel upgrades and forged internals, i rather just trade it in/sell it and put that towards the down on z28/ws6
sweet, this site has an edit button.
btw, what does H/C mean? iv seen that on a few posts in modifications.
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Originally Posted by turboeco
what can i expect with a cam and basic bolt ons? maybe a set of heads? you people that are in low 12s/11s/ are you running stock rear ends? or 3.77/4.10s?
08-04-2005, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by turboeco
what can i expect with a cam and basic bolt ons? maybe a set of heads? you people that are in low 12s/11s/ are you running stock rear ends? or 3.77/4.10s?
is there anything i should look for when buying them? how are the auto trannys? i know the older 700r4 had problems. and iv heard stories about ls1's overheating?
i was lookin at paying 12-15k. i know i could probley get a decent buck trade in on mine. cuz the extra 3k its gonna cost me in fuel upgrades and forged internals, i rather just trade it in/sell it and put that towards the down on z28/ws6
is there anything i should look for when buying them? how are the auto trannys? i know the older 700r4 had problems. and iv heard stories about ls1's overheating?
i was lookin at paying 12-15k. i know i could probley get a decent buck trade in on mine. cuz the extra 3k its gonna cost me in fuel upgrades and forged internals, i rather just trade it in/sell it and put that towards the down on z28/ws6
If you do the standard bolt-ons and then a cam you can expect low 12's for a manual or high 11's for an auto. Your results may vary. How quick you run depends on where your specific car starts out and how many of the little things like suspension mods plus weight reduction you do, as well as weather, elevation and driver skill. Try browsing the 12 and 11 second clubs and seeing exactly what people ran with what mods. That is what they are there for.
