777

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For all of those unbelievers show me a dyno graph that shows less low-end power than the stock cam. Someone once said that to me and I spent at least 1/2 an hour looking and never found a graph that had less low-end than stock. So until someone shows me a graph I'll believe it. If I am wrong I will gladly admit it, however, I just couldn't find one myself.

WS6 Kid

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Im not sure about this Looks to me like i lost agood amount of low end: Blue is Lid/Catback only Red is after cam and full exhaust

flyin red TA

I don't get why this is such a big deal to some of you. Match the torque convertor to the cam in an auto, match the gear to the cam in a manual...and you'll never have a problem. It's only a factor if you pick some ungodly huge cam and run 2.73s or a stock convertor.

My convertor flashes to around 4400 or so so I could care less if I lose 20 lb ft of torque below 3k.

ebear

I love you.

WS6 Kid

iTrader: (1)

Its a big deal to me because those are the rpms i'm at almost 100% of the time while driving around in the city, on errands etc.

I agree that there wont be any loss at the strip, but it really makes the car less fun to drive during normal driving.

nuzee

iTrader: (2)

The problem with using dyno graphs as proof of lowend loss is that they usually don't start until ~3000 rpm, or in WS6Kids case ~2500 rpm. Most of my daily driving is done in the rpm range that a dyno graph doesn't show. I beleive this to be true of others.

WS6Kids dyno graph is an excellent example of what a large cam does to an engine's powerband.

flyin red TA

So gear it, go to a 3.73 or a 4.10. But then your problem will be that your 60fts suck and you'll need a slick...and then you'll be breaking rearends and need a 12bolt or a 9 inch. And before you know it, you're complaining that your racecar only gets 10mpg and you can't hear the radio over the exhuast. There's always a trade off with these cars, you can't have everything. It all comes down to how fast you want to go, and what you're willing to live with during everyday driving.

If you regret the cam that much, just go to a smaller one.

WS6 Kid

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I dont regret my cam choice at all, I think i got just as much as i could live with and certainly am happy with the power. It sucks, as soon as you get a new mod you immediately need another

I think i'll try to quit once i finish the susp and get a 9in....maybe

777

iTrader: (21)

Well turns out that I am wrong. I wish I could've found that back when I was trying to argue this the other way to people. I guess I have gotten my facts straight now. I wouldn't have said it this way in the first place if I couldn't find proof of it. I didn't believe it that you didn't lose low-end, I just couldn't find proof of it so I had to agree.

PS: not trying to get out of being wrong, I know I was.

silverTA2002

iTrader: (1)

Very well said.

Everything has tradeoffs. If mods didn't, everyone would get the same mods.

Typically, the more speed you want, the less "smooth" your ride is.

Aftermarket mods tend to be "raw" but get the job done.

WS6 Kid

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Dont worry about it man, were all here to learn. I really appreciate the way that you can face up to your mistake and move forward

WS6 Kid

iTrader: (1)

Good post

Black Z/28

Interesting thread. I'm with nuzee- I want to keep (or improve my low end).

black01_WS6

iTrader: (13)

this is why I love this website, people can argue something and not become into a pissing contest. I wish other web sites were like this.

I also have a good sized cam and went with 3.73's in the rear and am having no loss of power down low. I just went back to look at them to make sure.

Black Z/28

Ha ha, you should read some more threads. But I agree, It's a great site.

WS6 Kid

iTrader: (1)

What cam do you have? Also: Was there was no loss of torque down low when it was on the dyno? or: is it that it just doesnt feel like there was a loss since you got geared?

I'd think about the biggest cam you can go with without losing anything anywhere in the RPM band would be like a 224-226 duration.

dudas35

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I had a TR228 and i picked up 8 hp at 2k rpm's, it only got higher from there up, ended up peaking at 41 hp over stock cam. Maybe it has something to do with the tune.

black01_WS6

iTrader: (13)

I am running a 232-234 595. 598. 112. they dyno was on a mustang dyno. does anyone have a dyno sheet of a stock ls1. because my other one to go from is from bolt ons. my car seems stock until about 2500 rpm's then its a whole different story. I may have lost some down low but the dyno doesn't show below 2800rpm's, but i can't tell a difference.

WS6 Kid

iTrader: (1)

What the heck...we have the same cam The dyno that i posted above was overlayed with when my car had only a lid and cat back FYI.

2MuchRiceMakesMeSick

I think its pretty obvious that I would gain 3k+ with the trex over the stock cam. My point is my car felt stronger even in the lower RPMs over the stock cam so I did not lose anything as the title of this thread suggests. Of course we have no way of measuring this but I drove that car every day.