400 RWHP on a bolt on LS1 with a cam. Is it possible?
Why don't you start a thread and ask, instead of asking it in my thread about my question?
07-30-2007, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ZMONSTER!
How about the Thunder racing Cheater head and cam pkg? My goals are very similar to his and this pkg fas been highly reccomended.
Thats the way I would go
07-30-2007, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Redlinez
One thing to keep in mind is the biggest difference in these cams is where they make power. I think most of these bigger cams are peak kings, in other words, dyno queens. Hardly any seem to post track ets. You gotta decide what's important to you- winning the dyno race or a real one. I'm all about power "under the curve", which means much better gains across the midrange, which equates to much better street driving power. Like you didn't already probably know that though.
TREX AND MS3 ARE PROVEN CAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
If your talking about other ones thats a different story
07-30-2007, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Redlinez
One thing to keep in mind is the biggest difference in these cams is where they make power. I think most of these bigger cams are peak kings, in other words, dyno queens. Hardly any seem to post track ets. You gotta decide what's important to you- winning the dyno race or a real one. I'm all about power "under the curve", which means much better gains across the midrange, which equates to much better street driving power. Like you didn't already probably know that though.
Im not bad mouthing the smaller cams but results are results. Yes I know the smaller cams turn on early and the bigger cams come on a lil late but when you buy the bigger cams it say just like at thunders site will need 4:10 gears ,i guess i didnt see that
07-30-2007, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
I guess the next question to ask is; at what point is a cam considered "too big". This will obviously be a matter of opinion, but I guess I would like something just underneath what a general consensus of what "big" is.
Like I said earlier, I am looking for something that thumbs and bumps a bit at idle, but not so big that the wife has a hard time driving it around town. I would like something that still has decent mid range as well, as I don't want something that makes all of its power way up top in the RPM band.
Like I said earlier, I am looking for something that thumbs and bumps a bit at idle, but not so big that the wife has a hard time driving it around town. I would like something that still has decent mid range as well, as I don't want something that makes all of its power way up top in the RPM band.
The cam should never be chosen as a stand alone part, it is the centerpiece around which everything else must revolve.
07-30-2007, 01:42 PM
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im curious to see how sick a big cam car like a ms3, g5x3, and etc.. will do on the street when properly matched with gears, stall and other supporting mods!! i know bigger isnt better, but with the new cars coming out making power of what the 224 cams, and 228 makes that everybody suggests, i would say i think it would be better to go big!!
07-30-2007, 09:26 PM
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I wouldnt say small powerband but if I had to do it all over I would have bought a 12 bolt first cause if you have a m6 its just a matter of time before the 10 bolt breaks. If your like me I really dont drag race a whole lot anymore but I will play on the freeway some and thats where stock geared big cams play. My cam pulls from 4000 till 7000 rpms
07-31-2007, 09:06 AM
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I'm not really worried about the 10 bolt for now. I don't have sticky tires, so any access power will be only really usable up top at highway speeds which is really what I am looking for with this car anyways.
I am looking for a cam that makes its power a little before 4000 RPM's though.
I am looking for a cam that makes its power a little before 4000 RPM's though.
07-31-2007, 03:31 PM
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You would hate life with 3.42's and one of those cams. Talk about no bottom end..... I took mine to the track regularly with a 10 bolt and 4.10's on dr's. I'm not one who condones the street racing thing, although I enjoy watching the vids, but I have put the whomp on plenty of "big cam" cars at the track.
08-06-2007, 04:37 AM
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Someone was asking if the MS3 or MS4 was bigger... I read on one form that the ms4 required .649 lift 
MS4 had a peek gain of 80hp to the crank of a 99 LS1 motor. Average gain is 60hp to the crank. Test motor had upgraded ls6 intake, kooks LT's and 101 fuel when tested so those numbers are probably going to be higher than near tock running on 92 octane.
I was going to try a MS4 for the hell of it, then replace it if it was horid in a DD that sees the track once a month. But with my near stock t/a with 3.23 gears and stock 214 heads I think I'll flush that dream goodbye.
I'd like to jump to 3.73s one day, but its not in the budge this year... neither is cam + uber valve train. Oh and the nearest dyno shop is 6 hours away. So either their shop will have to install + tune the car on the spot, or I take my chances with a mail order tune...?
I'll just have to be happy with stock for a while
MS4 had a peek gain of 80hp to the crank of a 99 LS1 motor. Average gain is 60hp to the crank. Test motor had upgraded ls6 intake, kooks LT's and 101 fuel when tested so those numbers are probably going to be higher than near tock running on 92 octane.
I was going to try a MS4 for the hell of it, then replace it if it was horid in a DD that sees the track once a month. But with my near stock t/a with 3.23 gears and stock 214 heads I think I'll flush that dream goodbye.
I'd like to jump to 3.73s one day, but its not in the budge this year... neither is cam + uber valve train. Oh and the nearest dyno shop is 6 hours away. So either their shop will have to install + tune the car on the spot, or I take my chances with a mail order tune...?
I'll just have to be happy with stock for a while
08-09-2007, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 02NBMWS6
are you serious? he said his wife wants to drive it, a Vindicator? That ****** doesnt even fit with the recommended tolerances yet it fits the bill for his wife to drive?
you dont need all that cam for 400rwhp. in fact, unless youre all out race, its a bad choice.
you dont need all that cam for 400rwhp. in fact, unless youre all out race, its a bad choice.
Still spewing your misinformation about the Vindicator huh?....
The Vindicator fit, without pulling the heads. Should I have checked p to v, yes. Did I, no. Have a made a ton of passes without issue, yes.
My wife has and does drive my car.
The Vindicator Hater video will be up by the end of the weekend, keep your eyes peeled.
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08-09-2007, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
Perhaps I should specify. I am looking to do the full bolt ons sometime to my Formula in my sig (whisper lid, some form of intake possibly FAST, Kooks LT's, ORY, Magnaflow catback). Along with the bolt ons, I would like to also install a cam. Nothing TO big as this is my DD, and the wife drives it from time to time. I was thinking along the lines of a MS3 cam. All of this with a good dyno tune. Is 400 RWHP possible with this? Or will I need to go with a little more agressive cam to get me there?
I would like to stay with some form of this combo, as in, I don't really want to get aftermarket heads as well. Any suggestions? Or thoughts?
I would like to stay with some form of this combo, as in, I don't really want to get aftermarket heads as well. Any suggestions? Or thoughts?
My car with lid, fast, pacesetters, duals, pulley,SD tune, MS3 cam, stock 243 heads with 6spd and 9inch w/4.11's put down 455rwhp and 405tq SAE.
You will break 400+
08-10-2007, 06:16 AM
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Well, I don't want anything gigangusly huge for the Formula here, but my Z has a Custom Camshaft 244/254 @ .050, .578/.578 lift, 114* LSA in it, and my wife manages to drive it okay. I'm not sure the exact specs on a MS3 cam in relation to the specs on my cam in my Z, but as long as it is smaller than that, it should be drivable for the wife.
The other thing is, I am not going to be changing the 3.42's or the heads, so I don't want it to be a total turd down low. I would like something with decent mid range as well.
From what everyone is saying, it won't be too hard to break the 400 RWHP mark with full bolt ons, and a good cam.
The other thing is, I am not going to be changing the 3.42's or the heads, so I don't want it to be a total turd down low. I would like something with decent mid range as well.
From what everyone is saying, it won't be too hard to break the 400 RWHP mark with full bolt ons, and a good cam.
08-10-2007, 07:20 AM
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the TR230 is a great cam. it may not be brand new, but it has a great curve, and it works awesome on stock heads, i have seen 400+ out of it on a stock headed car. Though i only made 400 with it and some PRC Ls6 heads. Granted this was on a N20 tune, catted Y, and i still need an UD pulley and Fast90/NW90. Im on a stock TB and LS6 right now. my wife drives it every saturday while im on deployment. she does fine. plus it sounds awesome...on a 11LSA 
08-11-2007, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
I have heard and seen a couple of cars with the MS3 cam, and I really liked the sound it makes, and it obviously makes good power. Does anyone know how it does in the mid range though?
Also, does anyone have the specs on a MS3 cam?
Also, does anyone have the specs on a MS3 cam?
Magic Stick V.3 237/242 .603/.609" 113lsa
I have a 9in w/4:11's and my car pulls like a **** from 2000rpm all the way to 7000rpm.
when I had the stock 10bolt w/3.42's the car felt slow until around 4500rpm's but when you get the 4:10's the car comes alive!
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400 RWH with bolt ons There are two tuners that can get 400HP @ the wheels without going into the engine. One is in Tennessee and the other is in Texas. The tuner in Tennessee can get a better torque curve with his tune and had the bolt on record for the LS1 until the tuner in Texas beat them by about 2 HP...but again the fat torque curve more than makes up for it. So yes it can be done but requires extensive tuning and know how to make it happen. There are probably more tuners capable of achieving these numbers as well.