Ok...Narrowed it down to two kits... Help me choose!
Before I get to answering all of the other questions in this thread I'd like to get back to the original poster as it seems we've somewhat derailed from his original thread. The first question was safest and fastest...that's somewhat undefined. Safest to some people is different from others. You'll get people that are afraid of a solenoid failing or people that are afraid of electronics...I think the only person that can answer that would be yourself. What do you feel comfortable doing? I know myself personally I run a dry shot. Matt runs a wet shot and Mike is somewhere in the middle. We've used everything imaginable and have all found things that work for us personally. The other end of it is fastest...well that is somewhat relative as well. Fast for you might be slow for someone else. I know you're looking for 100 to 150 shot and honestly that can be done a few different ways. I know I recommended a dry shot and honestly that's what I would use if I were in your shoes. I would also run all of the most current safety items such as the microedge in conjunction with whatever you use as that will help aide the first half of your goal, safety.
We have somewhat broken it down for those looking to run a dry shot that utilizes a maf (pre-maf or post-maf) in conjunction with a stock pcm. We've installed countless dry kits over the years and have a lot of experience in this area as well as setting up countless wet shots. We're not a company that has one tool in their tool belt. I will try and keep this simple so that everyone has an opportunity to learn a little.
Before we proceed, if your car is running a hack tune, none of this applies and honestly that's applied to both style of kits (wet or dry). You will obviously need to verify wiring just as if you were using a fuel solenoid. Bent pins and/or bad power/ground connections on a fuel solenoid will not function properly. And I'm sure I'll get the guy that says differently and my only reply can be is that we've done countless installs that involve maf driven dry shots on stock pcm's and we've somewhat written the book in utilizing this technology in dry nitrous use. Generally speaking most ls f-bodies hit 525hp before maxing out their maf. Depending on model year you can very easily and effectively extend your maf range by altering a few entries in your tune without the use of any outside product. This generally will allow you to run a maf upwards of 550hp. Taking it further you can run the config 3 switch on the interface and once again very easily change a few values in your tune to run upwards of 620hp reliably. For those really looking to push the envelope with the factory pcm, config 3 can be altered to go further. Once again, we've done this countless times and are more than happy to walk people through what needs to be addressed or changed in the tune if they or their tuner are uncertain.
For those that have met and/or exceeded the limits the Interface is a very effective tool in doing so. Some people have made it out to be rocket science but in reality the only tables you're modifying are modified in N/A tunes so its nothing to be scared of. Stuff of this nature is dealt with all the time in forced induction so I'm not really sure why certain people make it out to be dreadful or spooky. I guess it falls back to one tool in a tool belt? And in no way am I saying that dry is the end all of nitrous. There are many ways to skin a cat and this so happens to be a great and effective way of doing so.
We have somewhat broken it down for those looking to run a dry shot that utilizes a maf (pre-maf or post-maf) in conjunction with a stock pcm. We've installed countless dry kits over the years and have a lot of experience in this area as well as setting up countless wet shots. We're not a company that has one tool in their tool belt. I will try and keep this simple so that everyone has an opportunity to learn a little.
Before we proceed, if your car is running a hack tune, none of this applies and honestly that's applied to both style of kits (wet or dry). You will obviously need to verify wiring just as if you were using a fuel solenoid. Bent pins and/or bad power/ground connections on a fuel solenoid will not function properly. And I'm sure I'll get the guy that says differently and my only reply can be is that we've done countless installs that involve maf driven dry shots on stock pcm's and we've somewhat written the book in utilizing this technology in dry nitrous use. Generally speaking most ls f-bodies hit 525hp before maxing out their maf. Depending on model year you can very easily and effectively extend your maf range by altering a few entries in your tune without the use of any outside product. This generally will allow you to run a maf upwards of 550hp. Taking it further you can run the config 3 switch on the interface and once again very easily change a few values in your tune to run upwards of 620hp reliably. For those really looking to push the envelope with the factory pcm, config 3 can be altered to go further. Once again, we've done this countless times and are more than happy to walk people through what needs to be addressed or changed in the tune if they or their tuner are uncertain.
For those that have met and/or exceeded the limits the Interface is a very effective tool in doing so. Some people have made it out to be rocket science but in reality the only tables you're modifying are modified in N/A tunes so its nothing to be scared of. Stuff of this nature is dealt with all the time in forced induction so I'm not really sure why certain people make it out to be dreadful or spooky. I guess it falls back to one tool in a tool belt? And in no way am I saying that dry is the end all of nitrous. There are many ways to skin a cat and this so happens to be a great and effective way of doing so.
Nick.
I can not comment on or for the customer, just my involvement. After six monthes he gave up. I helped him as much as I could with what we had to work with. The installer was un-available and of no use. I do beleave he was an Autherized installer?
I think you have a good product here and I am not afraid of it in the least. I under stand it and how it works working with systems like it before.
I would like to lay down one or two fact's. There is no way to extrend the limits in a real fashion with out a complete re-scale of a some tables. You can lie to the computer but in the end once you reach the end of the table you are done and so is the fuel.
You want to know how to really fix it? Use a custom built MAF and rescale the stock MAF table to improve the range. I have in fact done this in the past. It goes against what most say is accepted but in the end works great.
Again I would like to say it ias a great product as long as it is used with in its limits. It should ahve never been used on this car. Had I not under stood how it worked the engine may have been melted down by the tuner who was going to install a SD tune on the car.
BTW could you add a big warning not to use this system with a SD tune?
I am in no way trying to pick on you ot HSW just trying to make sure people know here they are going
BTW I was running a dry kit on a LTx when they were just coming out for a LSx
I can not comment on or for the customer, just my involvement. After six monthes he gave up. I helped him as much as I could with what we had to work with. The installer was un-available and of no use. I do beleave he was an Autherized installer?
I think you have a good product here and I am not afraid of it in the least. I under stand it and how it works working with systems like it before.
I would like to lay down one or two fact's. There is no way to extrend the limits in a real fashion with out a complete re-scale of a some tables. You can lie to the computer but in the end once you reach the end of the table you are done and so is the fuel.
You want to know how to really fix it? Use a custom built MAF and rescale the stock MAF table to improve the range. I have in fact done this in the past. It goes against what most say is accepted but in the end works great.
Again I would like to say it ias a great product as long as it is used with in its limits. It should ahve never been used on this car. Had I not under stood how it worked the engine may have been melted down by the tuner who was going to install a SD tune on the car.
BTW could you add a big warning not to use this system with a SD tune?
I am in no way trying to pick on you ot HSW just trying to make sure people know here they are going
BTW I was running a dry kit on a LTx when they were just coming out for a LSx
Please don't take anything I wrote as offensive as I'm not trying to single anyone out or anything like that. Just trying to break the general consensus that there's only 1 way of going about things. What you're speaking of is essentially the same as what the config does for you. Nobody ever said that tuning isn't required...its just like any other go fast goodie you add to your car...once you get to a certain level things need to be addressed as I pointed out in the post above...we just provide added range to broaden the spectrum of dry shots. I mean hell take a look at most generic cookie cutter dry shots on the market today. lol when you hit the limits of your maf they tell you pound sand or switch to wet. Our systems are designed to grow with your needs and I'm sure you can appreciate that.
Nick
Before I get to answering all of the other questions in this thread I'd like to get back to the original poster as it seems we've somewhat derailed from his original thread. The first question was safest and fastest...that's somewhat undefined. Safest to some people is different from others. You'll get people that are afraid of a solenoid failing or people that are afraid of electronics...I think the only person that can answer that would be yourself. What do you feel comfortable doing? I know myself personally I run a dry shot. Matt runs a wet shot and Mike is somewhere in the middle. We've used everything imaginable and have all found things that work for us personally. The other end of it is fastest...well that is somewhat relative as well. Fast for you might be slow for someone else. I know you're looking for 100 to 150 shot and honestly that can be done a few different ways. I know I recommended a dry shot and honestly that's what I would use if I were in your shoes. I would also run all of the most current safety items such as the microedge in conjunction with whatever you use as that will help aide the first half of your goal, safety.
We have somewhat broken it down for those looking to run a dry shot that utilizes a maf (pre-maf or post-maf) in conjunction with a stock pcm. We've installed countless dry kits over the years and have a lot of experience in this area as well as setting up countless wet shots. We're not a company that has one tool in their tool belt. I will try and keep this simple so that everyone has an opportunity to learn a little.
Before we proceed, if your car is running a hack tune, none of this applies and honestly that's applied to both style of kits (wet or dry). You will obviously need to verify wiring just as if you were using a fuel solenoid. Bent pins and/or bad power/ground connections on a fuel solenoid will not function properly. And I'm sure I'll get the guy that says differently and my only reply can be is that we've done countless installs that involve maf driven dry shots on stock pcm's and we've somewhat written the book in utilizing this technology in dry nitrous use. Generally speaking most ls f-bodies hit 525hp before maxing out their maf. Depending on model year you can very easily and effectively extend your maf range by altering a few entries in your tune without the use of any outside product. This generally will allow you to run a maf upwards of 550hp. Taking it further you can run the config 3 switch on the interface and once again very easily change a few values in your tune to run upwards of 620hp reliably. For those really looking to push the envelope with the factory pcm, config 3 can be altered to go further. Once again, we've done this countless times and are more than happy to walk people through what needs to be addressed or changed in the tune if they or their tuner are uncertain.
For those that have met and/or exceeded the limits the Interface is a very effective tool in doing so. Some people have made it out to be rocket science but in reality the only tables you're modifying are modified in N/A tunes so its nothing to be scared of. Stuff of this nature is dealt with all the time in forced induction so I'm not really sure why certain people make it out to be dreadful or spooky. I guess it falls back to one tool in a tool belt? And in no way am I saying that dry is the end all of nitrous. There are many ways to skin a cat and this so happens to be a great and effective way of doing so.
We have somewhat broken it down for those looking to run a dry shot that utilizes a maf (pre-maf or post-maf) in conjunction with a stock pcm. We've installed countless dry kits over the years and have a lot of experience in this area as well as setting up countless wet shots. We're not a company that has one tool in their tool belt. I will try and keep this simple so that everyone has an opportunity to learn a little.
Before we proceed, if your car is running a hack tune, none of this applies and honestly that's applied to both style of kits (wet or dry). You will obviously need to verify wiring just as if you were using a fuel solenoid. Bent pins and/or bad power/ground connections on a fuel solenoid will not function properly. And I'm sure I'll get the guy that says differently and my only reply can be is that we've done countless installs that involve maf driven dry shots on stock pcm's and we've somewhat written the book in utilizing this technology in dry nitrous use. Generally speaking most ls f-bodies hit 525hp before maxing out their maf. Depending on model year you can very easily and effectively extend your maf range by altering a few entries in your tune without the use of any outside product. This generally will allow you to run a maf upwards of 550hp. Taking it further you can run the config 3 switch on the interface and once again very easily change a few values in your tune to run upwards of 620hp reliably. For those really looking to push the envelope with the factory pcm, config 3 can be altered to go further. Once again, we've done this countless times and are more than happy to walk people through what needs to be addressed or changed in the tune if they or their tuner are uncertain.
For those that have met and/or exceeded the limits the Interface is a very effective tool in doing so. Some people have made it out to be rocket science but in reality the only tables you're modifying are modified in N/A tunes so its nothing to be scared of. Stuff of this nature is dealt with all the time in forced induction so I'm not really sure why certain people make it out to be dreadful or spooky. I guess it falls back to one tool in a tool belt? And in no way am I saying that dry is the end all of nitrous. There are many ways to skin a cat and this so happens to be a great and effective way of doing so.
Thank you for the responce. This is what I have been trying to get across since day one. If using the interface you are going to hit a point to where it is going to require pcm tunning.
You are correct its not rocket science but I think it is only fair for these un experienced individuals to know exactly what they are getting into before spending there hard earned money.
Facts remain that with this system you are limited and you will hit a point of maxing out the mass air meter. At this point even with the interface it will require altering the factory pcm tune. So if the customer is thinking they can dodge the expense of pcm tunning they have a suprise comming.
Yes with a boosted application these tables are altered to extend the maff range.
To compare a tune on a Boosted application as having the same results as a nitrous feed N/A motor is misleading. The results on a Boosted application are going to differ than on a nitrous feed engine. Here is why. With a boosted application you will always have the same results when going wide open throttle because the airflow will be the same.
On a nitrous feed application if you alter these pcm tables as an attempt to band aid the tune for when using nitrous the tune will not be correct for daily driving and N/A runs.
Ill leave all the other potential issues along as my reason for this conversation is not to bad mouth your product. I just think it is only fair to explain to the customer in great detail all the pluss and negatives with any system or method.
Dave
Generally speaking most ls f-bodies hit 525hp before maxing out their maf. Depending on model year you can very easily and effectively extend your maf range by altering a few entries in your tune without the use of any outside product. This generally will allow you to run a maf upwards of 550hp. Taking it further you can run the config 3 switch on the interface and once again very easily change a few values in your tune to run upwards of 620hp reliably. For those really looking to push the envelope with the factory pcm, config 3 can be altered to go further. Once again, we've done this countless times and are more than happy to walk people through what needs to be addressed or changed in the tune if they or their tuner are uncertain.
Sure, you will hit a point where tuning is required Dave, but it is at the same place as if you were using a traditional pre-MAF nozzle dry kit. Having the Interface will allow you to go past that point and spray a larger dry shot, where as the traditional pre-MAF nozzle kit does not have that option.
I still don't think you understand that this is not an Interface issue, it's a limationan of the factory PCM/OS in the LS1 F/Y-Bodys that will happpen with any dry kit. The advantage of the Interface is that it will allow you to go around that limitation.
So I have to ask, on your brand dry nitrous kits, when they max the MAF out, what options do you give your customers that want to stay with a dry shot?
Matt
I still don't think you understand that this is not an Interface issue, it's a limationan of the factory PCM/OS in the LS1 F/Y-Bodys that will happpen with any dry kit. The advantage of the Interface is that it will allow you to go around that limitation.
So I have to ask, on your brand dry nitrous kits, when they max the MAF out, what options do you give your customers that want to stay with a dry shot?
Matt
Sure, you will hit a point where tuning is required Dave, but it is at the same place as if you were using a traditional pre-MAF nozzle dry kit. Having the Interface will allow you to go past that point and spray a larger dry shot, where as the traditional pre-MAF nozzle kit does not have that option.
I still don't think you understand that this is not an Interface issue, it's a limationan of the factory PCM/OS in the LS1 F/Y-Bodys that will happpen with any dry kit. The advantage of the Interface is that it will allow you to go around that limitation.
So I have to ask, on your brand dry nitrous kits, when they max the MAF out, what options do you give your customers that want to stay with a dry shot?
Matt
I still don't think you understand that this is not an Interface issue, it's a limationan of the factory PCM/OS in the LS1 F/Y-Bodys that will happpen with any dry kit. The advantage of the Interface is that it will allow you to go around that limitation.
So I have to ask, on your brand dry nitrous kits, when they max the MAF out, what options do you give your customers that want to stay with a dry shot?
Matt
I agree. I have never said it is a interface issue only. I will touch base back on this conversation in great detail after while.
Thanks
Dave
why dont you give us a call tomorrow and we can talk about it. the dry plate isnt the only thing we make. You can of course go with one of our suburb plates. we can run through all its features and figure out what other supporting accessories you may want to go with. obviously the microedge + is up there as one of the best controllers out there, that could go very well with one of our wet or dry plates.
everything is about what you feel comfortable with and what we see fitting best with your system. id never recommend a single thing to you if i though it would cause future work or anything that i didnt make you fully aware of before hand. the dry plate with the interface is great, its what i run on several of my personal cars, but it may not fit your needs perfectly.
everything is about what you feel comfortable with and what we see fitting best with your system. id never recommend a single thing to you if i though it would cause future work or anything that i didnt make you fully aware of before hand. the dry plate with the interface is great, its what i run on several of my personal cars, but it may not fit your needs perfectly.
Do a wet plate and never look back. You have seen in this one thread how the story has twisted from what was said from the beginning. Do it right the first time and save money in the long run. I dont care if you buy someone elses wet system. For me its not about the sell. Its about the proper education.
Do your self a favor and read this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...st-design.html
If you want some one on education call me at the shop. Let me explain things to you before you spend your hard earned money one something that does not fit your needs. Please read the thread above before calling. Its a crash course.
Dave
Do your self a favor and read this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...st-design.html
If you want some one on education call me at the shop. Let me explain things to you before you spend your hard earned money one something that does not fit your needs. Please read the thread above before calling. Its a crash course.
Dave
I agree Dave; all you have done is twist this thread around.
Reading the other thread you made left me with one question besides the contradicting information. A few years back when you only sold NX products you would take cheap shots at a few of the other nitrous manufactures. Then, all of a sudden, you start to carry those manufactures products that you were taking cheap shots at and start to speak highly of them. That lasts a year or two and poof, all of a sudden those manufactures products are no longer on your website and you make a new post bad mouthing them. What's going on here, if you truly felt that the products from those manufactures were/are inferior to the one that you were carrying why would you then start to sell them to your customers? Was it to just make a sale?
Looking forward to your forthcoming "great detail" post.
Matt
Reading the other thread you made left me with one question besides the contradicting information. A few years back when you only sold NX products you would take cheap shots at a few of the other nitrous manufactures. Then, all of a sudden, you start to carry those manufactures products that you were taking cheap shots at and start to speak highly of them. That lasts a year or two and poof, all of a sudden those manufactures products are no longer on your website and you make a new post bad mouthing them. What's going on here, if you truly felt that the products from those manufactures were/are inferior to the one that you were carrying why would you then start to sell them to your customers? Was it to just make a sale?
Looking forward to your forthcoming "great detail" post.
Matt
Do a wet plate and never look back. You have seen in this one thread how the story has twisted from what was said from the beginning. Do it right the first time and save money in the long run. I dont care if you buy someone elses wet system. For me its not about the sell. Its about the proper education.
Do your self a favor and read this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...st-design.html
If you want some one on education call me at the shop. Let me explain things to you before you spend your hard earned money one something that does not fit your needs. Please read the thread above before calling. Its a crash course.
Dave
Do your self a favor and read this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...st-design.html
If you want some one on education call me at the shop. Let me explain things to you before you spend your hard earned money one something that does not fit your needs. Please read the thread above before calling. Its a crash course.
Dave
I agree Dave; all you have done is twist this thread around.
Reading the other thread you made left me with one question besides the contradicting information. A few years back when you only sold NX products you would take cheap shots at a few of the other nitrous manufactures. Then, all of a sudden, you start to carry those manufactures products that you were taking cheap shots at and start to speak highly of them. That lasts a year or two and poof, all of a sudden those manufactures products are no longer on your website and you make a new post bad mouthing them. What's going on here, if you truly felt that the products from those manufactures were/are inferior to the one that you were carrying why would you then start to sell them to your customers? Was it to just make a sale?
Looking forward to your forthcoming "great detail" post.
Matt
Reading the other thread you made left me with one question besides the contradicting information. A few years back when you only sold NX products you would take cheap shots at a few of the other nitrous manufactures. Then, all of a sudden, you start to carry those manufactures products that you were taking cheap shots at and start to speak highly of them. That lasts a year or two and poof, all of a sudden those manufactures products are no longer on your website and you make a new post bad mouthing them. What's going on here, if you truly felt that the products from those manufactures were/are inferior to the one that you were carrying why would you then start to sell them to your customers? Was it to just make a sale?
Looking forward to your forthcoming "great detail" post.
Matt
I have not twisted anything. Dont get your panties all in a wad here.
You guys seem to all ways want to dance around the fact that there are limitations to using this dry kit yall make out to be so heavenly. I think its only fair to tell these guys they will hit a wall and they should concider there choice wisely with knowledge.
You are correct times do change and so do some companies quality, customer service and other things that come into play. Sometimes you have to roll with the punches and things change. I dont worry about other companies. I just worry about my own and I think its pretty fair to say with the very detailed knowledge I have in this industry we have been able to manufacture a very high quality product and provide the best technical customer service.
Dont be upset. I am just trying to make sure these guys choose a system based on there needs so that they dont end up like the guy that spent 2 grand and still dont have a working system.
Dave
You keep saying this dry kit, but up above you agree it is a limitation of the PCM, so yes, I would call that dancing around.
So then you did sell the other manufactures products to just make a quick buck....
So then you did sell the other manufactures products to just make a quick buck....
Matt,
I have not twisted anything. Dont get your panties all in a wad here.
You guys seem to all ways want to dance around the fact that there are limitations to using this dry kit yall make out to be so heavenly. I think its only fair to tell these guys they will hit a wall and they should concider there choice wisely with knowledge.
You are correct times do change and so do some companies quality, customer service and other things that come into play. Sometimes you have to roll with the punches and things change. I dont worry about other companies. I just worry about my own and I think its pretty fair to say with the very detailed knowledge I have in this industry we have been able to manufacture a very high quality product and provide the best technical customer service.
Dont be upset. I am just trying to make sure these guys choose a system based on there needs so that they dont end up like the guy that spent 2 grand and still dont have a working system.
Dave
I have not twisted anything. Dont get your panties all in a wad here.
You guys seem to all ways want to dance around the fact that there are limitations to using this dry kit yall make out to be so heavenly. I think its only fair to tell these guys they will hit a wall and they should concider there choice wisely with knowledge.
You are correct times do change and so do some companies quality, customer service and other things that come into play. Sometimes you have to roll with the punches and things change. I dont worry about other companies. I just worry about my own and I think its pretty fair to say with the very detailed knowledge I have in this industry we have been able to manufacture a very high quality product and provide the best technical customer service.
Dont be upset. I am just trying to make sure these guys choose a system based on there needs so that they dont end up like the guy that spent 2 grand and still dont have a working system.
Dave
post in the vender section lol. 
Nitrous Dave 100% His plate kit has my car hauling some serious *****! Anytime we have a question with our cars we call him and hes cool as hell!
I use to run HSW and i will never go back!
I use to run HSW and i will never go back!
I have no problems with dave's products and he can promote them however he chooses too. But when you attack ours, we will respond. We have hundreds of customers on this site and will not allow them to be lead to believe they have an inferior product by someone who has never tested our product in anyway. We have taken this picking and proding since we got on here and the other side simply pushes way to far sometimes.
If you look back through our posts we NEVER bash anyones product and i mean anyone. If another sponsor wants to publically pick a fight, then we are going to respond. Why, because we spent a **** load of our money, time and sacrificed a lot to bring these products to the market. Attack our product and we will take it personally, if we didnt, then we obviously dont care enough and we're not pationate about our company.
Ron, i assure you, none of us want to be wasting our time dealing with this bullshit. Obviously we arent going to sit here and have our products **** on by anyone when they have clearly performed well with hundreds of our customers. We work hard to make a quality product and support our customers. Its really a shame it has to resort to this childish **** that is brought on by attacks on our products in an effort to promote.
I have no problems with dave's products and he can promote them however he chooses too. But when you attack ours, we will respond. We have hundreds of customers on this site and will not allow them to be lead to believe they have an inferior product by someone who has never tested our product in anyway. We have taken this picking and proding since we got on here and the other side simply pushes way to far sometimes.
If you look back through our posts we NEVER bash anyones product and i mean anyone. If another sponsor wants to publically pick a fight, then we are going to respond. Why, because we spent a **** load of our money, time and sacrificed a lot to bring these products to the market. Attack our product and we will take it personally, if we didnt, then we obviously dont care enough and we're not pationate about our company.
I have no problems with dave's products and he can promote them however he chooses too. But when you attack ours, we will respond. We have hundreds of customers on this site and will not allow them to be lead to believe they have an inferior product by someone who has never tested our product in anyway. We have taken this picking and proding since we got on here and the other side simply pushes way to far sometimes.
If you look back through our posts we NEVER bash anyones product and i mean anyone. If another sponsor wants to publically pick a fight, then we are going to respond. Why, because we spent a **** load of our money, time and sacrificed a lot to bring these products to the market. Attack our product and we will take it personally, if we didnt, then we obviously dont care enough and we're not pationate about our company.
The original poster posted asking between a wet kit and a dry kit which one would best fit his needs. It just so happens the dry kit was a Harris brand and the wet kit was a Nitrous Outlet brand. I dont know why. Maybe he just likes the look of our wet system better. and the look of yalls dry better.
No matter why he picked those two different brands to look through my statement from the beginning is that he is going to be limited right off the bat if he went dry. Like I have said through this entire post I dont care what brand kit he buys he is better off going wet.
I never intended this to turn into a who has the biggiest weenie contest. I just wanted the guy to understand that he would hit a wall with a dry kit and the stock pcm unless he wanted to band aid his tune. This goes for my own brand as well as yours.
I dont know why it took such a indept converstation to get Nick to admit you waould have to band aid the tune at a certain point to aid in the fueling if going dry.
My statement has been the same through the beginning. With the mods he has and the direction he is going with his car using the stock pcm a wet plate kit would be a better option. Plain and simple.
I was not bad mouthing your product. I was simply saying that the dry method does not best suite this guy. I dont know how to make it any clearer than that.
Dave
Dave i am not refering to your comments in this thread, obviously this goes well beyond this thread. Nicks point was that the interface can extend the range of the MAF without any tuning, but there is a limit. Everyone and their mother knows this, we dont hide this information. This isnt a limitation of the interface, if anything the interface improves an already existing problem. We both know every single post i make about the interface specifically says it requires tuning to get more than 3 degrees of timing on the ls1 platform. I dont hide anything about that or anything else. The interface can only do some much, not because its poorly desgined, simply because of the platform we are working with.
As you can tell from my post to the OP, i recommended the wet plate of ours as another option for him. The dry plate isnt the end all as far as our products go and i actually recommend the wet plate more than i ever do the dry. That doesnt mean it doesnt work well or there is a problem with the interface.
Can we just give it a rest tonight??? I am being serious, we are all just tired of this and i am sure both of our customers are as well. you leave our products alone and we will have nothing to say about yours. It's up to you
As you can tell from my post to the OP, i recommended the wet plate of ours as another option for him. The dry plate isnt the end all as far as our products go and i actually recommend the wet plate more than i ever do the dry. That doesnt mean it doesnt work well or there is a problem with the interface.
Can we just give it a rest tonight??? I am being serious, we are all just tired of this and i am sure both of our customers are as well. you leave our products alone and we will have nothing to say about yours. It's up to you
Last edited by Mike@HSW; Nov 6, 2009 at 06:23 PM.