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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 02:02 AM
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What do you thing about this for my 6.0, ms3, 225cc dart heads, super vic. setup instead of the elbow and 90mm TB?

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i herd you get a pretty good gain over the elbow setup. i think blacksheep got like 50rwhp if i remember, there is a thread over it. you might want to gear up with that 31' tire also. 410's and a 31' tire is like a 390 gear. and 3600 isnt much stall for that ms3 in an f-body so add 1000lbs your gonna need in the area of 4000-4200 IMO. are the 317's milled?
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I would like to hear the outcome on this question also. I talked to ATV about this subject and I think he said they gained something like 30-40 but don't quote me on that.
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I'm going to be making the change myself after seeing a buddy pick up .3 tenths and 2.5mph.
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i herd you get a pretty good gain over the elbow setup. i think blacksheep got like 50rwhp if i remember, there is a thread over it. you might want to gear up with that 31' tire also. 410's and a 31' tire is like a 390 gear. and 3600 isnt much stall for that ms3 in an f-body so add 1000lbs your gonna need in the area of 4000-4200 IMO. are the 317's milled?
Yeah I saw his post. So what would you recommend on gear ratio? I was thinking of going with 4.56's but I still need to see what rpm I trap at the 1/4 mark, I was running on 7 cylinders and traping 5700rpm in 3rd so I’m not sure since now I’m on 8 if will make a difference.

The 317’s are not milled, I had the intention of using my turbo setup on this engine but I’m going nitrous crazy.

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I would like to hear the outcome on this question also. I talked to ATV about this subject and I think he said they gained something like 30-40 but don't quote me on that.
That’s why I’m going with this TB, he mention this setup and I've been searching a lot about it and now I’m trying to find the 4150 that flow the most, I don't want to go with a 4500 since I'll spend more on the adapter and later on I’ll be swapping all the nitrous setup to a Trans Am I just bought some months ago and don’t want to cut too much to make it fit.

Originally Posted by raymond mckinney
I'm going to be making the change myself after seeing a buddy pick up .3 tenths and 2.5mph.
It will be nice if I get that improvement, or even more when I get te darts on. I’m going to make the dyno comparison between the 2 setup.

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Yeah I saw his post. So what would you recommend on gear ratio? I was thinking of going with 4.56's but I still need to see what rpm I trap at the 1/4 mark, I was running on 7 cylinders and traping 5700rpm in 3rd so I’m not sure since now I’m on 8 if will make a difference.

The 317’s are not milled, I had the intention of using my turbo setup on this engine but I’m going nitrous crazy.



That’s why I’m going with this TB, he mention this setup and I've been searching a lot about it and now I’m trying to find the 4150 that flow the most, I don't want to go with a 4500 since I'll spend more on the adapter and later on I’ll be swapping all the nitrous setup to a Trans Am I just bought some months ago and don’t want to cut too much to make it fit.



It will be nice if I get that improvement, or even more when I get te darts on. I’m going to make the dyno comparison between the 2 setup.

I would say 456 gears would be your best bet with a 4000 converter. That cam will like compression which is why I ask. An easy fix would be 243's since they flow the same and compression is 66cc I think.
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I would say 456 gears would be your best bet with a 4000 converter. That cam will like compression which is why I ask. An easy fix would be 243's since they flow the same and compression is 66cc I think.
Yeah I think so too, I have DragSim5 and that’s what its telling me, I still want to try it out this week with the same 150 shot and see how it does.

I had made a post here in which I ran an 11.05 at 122mph with a 150 shot, I had just ran a 12.9 @ 106 before that NA on 7 cylinders. I took the truck 2 weeks ago and try it out after I fix it and just got to run ones NA and it improve a lot 12.32 @ 111mph with a 1.87 60's now I want to test the 150 again.

The heads I already have the Darts which were ported by Brain Tooley, he did an awesome job can't wait to put them on, they are at 62cc so it should help with the compression.

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