So I recently purchased a 98 vette with a bunch of engine mods along with nitrous that was just installed. I wanted it to get checked out and tuned to make sure its all good to go so I contacted a tuner near me. this is what he said.

"To tune the nitrous on your car we would need a "timing tuner" to retard the ignition timing. These run about $275+labor to wire and install. The Nitrous Outlet controller sells for $220, you could get that from us, or any other progressive controller. I have attached an estimate to do the work. Let me know what you think."

first question. Is a timer needed?! that sounds like crap. I was planning on getting a progressive from nitrous outlet. but they want to charge 280 to install the timer plus 220 for the unit itself. so thats a total of 800

Then an additional 650 to tune it....Should I look for someone else? What do I really need? Help me out!!

 

You do not have to have a timing tuner. It is needed if you want to be able to run NA timing and have the timing pulled only when the system is activated.

You could just run around with your timing pulled all the time. That being said a timing tuner is very nice option for a street car.

The progressive is a separate unit. It is not needed unless you want to in fact progress the nitrous. It is a very nice purchase as it will also save you from buying a individual TPS switch and window switch.

That does not seem too unreasonable on labor as long as your getting what you pay for. Just be clear if your paying good money you want very clean and well done wiring.

Also, I would be happy to have you go through the dealer for parts and you can still get help from us to do the install yourself if it is something you would like to tackle.

Talk with them, let them know what you want and what you expect. If you guys cant get on the same page, then give me a shout and I can try and help with the communication between you and them.

Graham @ N20

 

Are there instructions somewhere online for the timer to see if its something I want to tackle

 

Ill pm them too you sir.

Graham @ N20

 

where did you attach them to? i didnt get an email or pm yet.
or did i miss something? its been a long day for me. haha

 

I emailed them just know. That was just the word doc copy and pasted. I have the original on the computer. Pm me your email and I will send the original copy sir.

 

pm sent.

Is there a single unit out there, that can retard the time, window switch/progressive/ with first gear lockout? That seems like the only things I need. I dont have 2 stages or anything. It just sucks I have to pay 270 bucks JUST so my timing can be retarded for a little bit....maybe its just the price you have to pay to play. i dont know.

 

No unit can do timing retard and progress solenoids.

 

well that SUCKS! i dont mind so much. but the fiance isnt going to be happy. haha.

 

http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog...searchResult=5

so this is similar to what i want MINUS the "progressive" switch.

is the progressive part of it necessary? since im only doing a 100 shot...just curious if you think its still a good idea...

 

If your spraying 100 shot and have radials, you won't need a progressive controller. But it is nice to have the TPS and WOT switch controller by the progressive controlled like someone mentioned.

If you use the MSD timing twister, you will have to take off the intake unless you can sneak you hand back there and unclip the cam sensor. I just slid mine forward about 6" instead of taking it all the way off. Then you drop the starter down a little to plug in the crank sensor. Run Switched hot, and ground wires then your good to go. (This was on a 98 Camaro so may be a little easier/harder for you). Other units are easier to install based on what I read.

I ran about 20 passes on a 100 and 150 WET without pulling timing, so I'm hoping to compare the performance difference with the timing twister. I did have several gallons of 110 or 112 and the plugs looked ok to me.

We spray 100 wet on my buddies C5 with full timing and pump gas too. On a button with no progressive or timing box. A little to wild for me!

 

sounds like I'll need a progressive then. Without the nitrous this thing is already a beast with the other mods that were done.

maybe ill just do the timing timer and dyno, then when I can afford the progressive, pick that up since i dont need to retune it after.

 

That will work as long as you still have a TPS switch. If not you will need the progressive to make sure you have WOT activation with your drive by wire throttle body.

 

blarg. haha. okay. Ill just get both.
what is involved with a tps switch? where do I get one, or is that part of the progressive switch.

will you still be able to get me those instructions for the timer?
thanks!

 

i guess the LS1 cars are different. i ran 125 shot on my modern hemi and didnt pull any timing out of my tune which had 26 degrees advanced.

what i did do was use 109 octane, colder plugs, monitor wideband, st and lt knock. i also had the spray on a push down command button so i could stop it if i had to.

i guess if you add all that up, its cheaper to get the timing box thing. less power, but cheaper

 

I apologize for not having them out yet. We had a farm machine knockout the power lines and we didnt have power. We have been trying to get straightened out all week. I will email them to you first thing Monday morning.

A TPS switch is a Throttle Position Sensor switch. It is what give WOT activation on a car with a drive by wire throttle body.

Every car is different. We have lots of ls cars that run similar size shots on that timing. The thing is what "worked" on one does not mean it will work on yours. Thats why we preach plug reading the way we do.

The push button is probably the least safe method of activation.

The timing box will not cost you power. It will allow you to run NA timing while off the spray. Then when you activate the system you will run CORRECT timing with the box pulling timing to accommodate the nitous.

 

No problem. Just thought I would remind you.

I have a push button right now. I would like to use that but have it only work when Im at WOT.

How does the FJO controller work as far as setup. Is there a program that you just basically follow instructions for setting up? If so, Its worth the extra 20 bucks.

Is there ANYTHING else that I will need? Even small things like fuses. Just a timing timer (which one do you recommend for my setup) and a Progressive (again, for my setup what do you recommend) Especially whatever is easiest to install/setup.

One more question for this post. Do you offer a discount for a package deal? haha

 

The fjo is pretty badass, you hook it up to your laptop via the usb port and you can make the nitrous turn on and off when you want as well as setup a progressive curve or ramp based off of time or rpm. It had a bunch of neat features

 

Using the button inline with a WOT switch is not a bad idea. I have done that with multiple setups for guys. Usually as a second stage.

The FJO is a more capable unit. No questions. We built ours' to be simple and for the user who does not want to bring in the laptop when it comes to setup. The program is VERY simple. You might want a hand with how you actually set it but I doubt you will need any instruction on starting. Very easy.

If you are just wanting to make sure you do not need a single thing I will go over everything with you to insure you do not.

The lingenfelter is the best unit IMO. But I think I may have already mentioned it is not avaliable right now, as they are doing a design upgrade.

The best unit other than it IMO is the Full throttle.

The progressives install about the same. If you dont mind setting it up with the laptop, the FJO is a more adjustable unit. If not, ours works great for the average street car user.

We do on the packages listed on the website, or on our "Total" systems.

The FJO is pretty solid. Very few users need something other than a Mini or our setup. Takes a pretty intense car to need more than they offer.

 

So the FJO sounds good to me.

Do you know when lingenfelter will have it ready? or a price?
Also, is this the full throttle that you speak of?
http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog...searchResult=7
That looks fairly easy to install. Just two plugs?