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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 11:54 PM
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These plugs saw one quarter-mile, 125-shot pass and a return to the staging area. Timing was 19.5 degrees. Wideband averaged 12.4:1 I have experimented with less timing (18.0) and more fuel (11.4:1) but the car always traps around 128, 129 mph with a 125-shot. Do I need to add fuel? I want to know if I’m ready to step up to a 150-shot. Thanks.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 09:02 AM
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Does no good to make a pass and then drive back on them. The plugs HAVE to be killed at WOT and pulled then.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 01:03 PM
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Doesnt look like thay have much if any drive time on them.

Looks pretty close, on the tune maybe could run it a little leaner to see if it picks up.
I'd say your ready for the 150 shot.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Doesnt look like thay have much if any drive time on them.

Looks pretty close, on the tune maybe could run it a little leaner to see if it picks up.
I'd say your ready for the 150 shot.
The fuel ring looks like it has some drive time. Little distorted.

I agree tho. I'm sure its safe as is, just try and hammer that fact home.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 01:46 PM
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looks pretty good to me. Id be happy with them, then play with fuel or timing one at a time and see what the mph does. As long as the wind isnt gusting there at Infineon. haha
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
Doesnt look like thay have much if any drive time on them.
Looks pretty close, on the tune maybe could run it a little leaner to see if it picks up. I'd say your ready for the 150 shot.
You are correct about minimal "drive time". The shutdown area at Infineon is uphill so the return road allows you to mostly coast home. Following your suggestions eleswhere I have been experimenting with less fuel than I otherwise would have. I was worried about going too lean. I'll try a 150-shot soon.
Thanks - Gary
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 02:48 PM
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looks pretty good to me. Id be happy with them, then play with fuel or timing one at a time and see what the mph does. As long as the wind isnt gusting there at Infineon. haha
Hi Cam, thanks for the comments. Yes, Infineon's headwind can knock down your speed. But I don't mind. It is less of a problem us f-body guys than for the damn pickup trucks that seem to always beat me.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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Does no good to make a pass and then drive back on them. The plugs HAVE to be killed at WOT and pulled then.
The immediate shutdown recommendation is obviously best but it doesn't follow that plugs with minimal drive time can tell you nothing. Nitrous novices don't necessarily need the same information as someone tuning a 300-shot. Evidence of too much timing, too much fuel, or detonation will not be erased by an easy drive back to the pits.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Z
The immediate shutdown recommendation is obviously best but it doesn't follow that plugs with minimal drive time can tell you nothing. Nitrous novices don't necessarily need the same information as someone tuning a 300-shot. Evidence of too much timing, too much fuel, or detonation will not be erased by an easy drive back to the pits.
I think the fact there novices is all the more reason to get the most accurate and clear picture. Why would you not do an immediate shutdown when you know it would give you a better read? You seem to have some tuning knowledge and are trying to be cautious by slowly moving up in jets, might as well get the most accurate read you can.

They are covered up to some degree. Also the load placed on the motor from being left in gear can effect the timing mark very easily. I may have seemed that I was being over zealous but that is just from being on keyboard. Again I just prefer to have absolutely no drive time on them. But that is IMO. By no means fact. The other guys chiming in here are at LEAST as knowledgeable so you have plenty of good direction. Both them as well run very fast for there given combination.
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Originally Posted by graham@nitrousoutlet
I think the fact there novices is all the more reason to get the most accurate and clear picture. Why would you not do an immediate shutdown when you know it would give you a better read? You seem to have some tuning knowledge and are trying to be cautious by slowly moving up in jets, might as well get the most accurate read you can.

They are covered up to some degree. Also the load placed on the motor from being left in gear can effect the timing mark very easily. I may have seemed that I was being over zealous but that is just from being on keyboard. Again I just prefer to have absolutely no drive time on them. But that is IMO. By no means fact. The other guys chiming in here are at LEAST as knowledgeable so you have plenty of good direction. Both them as well run very fast for there given combination.
Graham, I agree with almost everything you've said and concede I am the novice here. Your mention of the sensitivity of the timing mark is an especially good point.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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Graham, I agree with almost everything you've said and concede I am the novice here. Your mention of the sensitivity of the timing mark is an especially good point.
Your doing a good job. Learning and taking your time. Keeping picking up good information and you will be flying.

And we were all a novice and some point. I especially have learned a lot from Dave in the last year. There is always more to learn.

As I said. Lots of smart guys in here. You are headed in the right direction.
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remember to use short probe plugs
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remember to use short probe plugs
Dude, are you trying to pad your post count or something?

Everybody that posted in this thread already knows that info.

Just push yourself away from the keyboard, read and learn.
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