Which is better NX or TNT?
12-29-2002, 07:46 AM
#1
TECH Addict
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: VA
Posts: 2,320
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Which is better NX or TNT? I would like to run 150 wet shot. I want pressure gauge, activation switch, electric bottle opener, heater, RPM swtich. Oh yes i would like to mount a A/F ratio and a bottle pressure gauge on a pod up front. Can i do that? and what system is better for my needs? The car will have F4 226/226 114 Cam + LT's with the NOS. Plus my other mods in the sig. What do u think guys?
12-29-2002, 10:17 AM
#3
Teching In
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? Both kits will serve there purpose, I believe the TNT kit looks nicer, and is easier to install, but you can not run a remote bottle opener on a TNT bottle. I have the TNT on my C5, and love it! Picked up 8 tenths w/100hp jets.
12-29-2002, 02:23 PM
#4
Restricted User
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 7,603
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? I wouldnt run a 150 shot w/ either system w/out a fuel pump. The TNT reportedly makes more power per size of pill, which means it would be more subjective to starving the engine for fuel. But, with the pump, I would still run the NX. BTW, Camaro's are better than Firebirds thats why they both have Chevrolet engines. j/k.
Charlie.
Charlie.
12-29-2002, 05:08 PM
#5
TECH Addict
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: VA
Posts: 2,320
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by kwik8racr:
<strong>but you can not run a remote bottle opener on a TNT bottle. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, this is what i was looking for. I want to install a remote bottle opener. How about the venom kit? Can i have (I want pressure gauge, activation switch, electric bottle opener, heater, RPM swtich.) installed with it? And which is easier to install, Venom or NX?
<strong>but you can not run a remote bottle opener on a TNT bottle. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, this is what i was looking for. I want to install a remote bottle opener. How about the venom kit? Can i have (I want pressure gauge, activation switch, electric bottle opener, heater, RPM swtich.) installed with it? And which is easier to install, Venom or NX?
12-29-2002, 05:45 PM
#6
TECH Regular
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Yakima, WA
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? Actually a Bottle Opener will work on a TNT bottle. You can ue Nitrous Express'.
As far as one making more power then the other, how about someone post Nitrous Express' current jet map, and someone post TNT's current jet map and we compare the two using jet surface area (realizing TNT uses two nozzles, you can still measure total surface area).
I'd like to see if one is making more power then the other, or one is using more nitrous or less fuel then the other. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
As far as one making more power then the other, how about someone post Nitrous Express' current jet map, and someone post TNT's current jet map and we compare the two using jet surface area (realizing TNT uses two nozzles, you can still measure total surface area).
I'd like to see if one is making more power then the other, or one is using more nitrous or less fuel then the other. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
12-29-2002, 06:59 PM
#7
Restricted User
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 7,603
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? LS1Power, due to the electronics used witht the venom kit, the NX will be easier to install, actually very easy. The venom, with it's processor is an extremely nice system, too expensive for me.
KTamez, I may not be 100% accurate, but after reading several posts from users of TNT and converting from NX to TNT, there are plenty people getting more out of the TNT kit "as per stated jet size." Now, I am no mathmatical expert, but I would have to say the difference between any system, all things being equal, is the name, price, and actaul orfice size ( volumetric area) of flow thru the stated jets. I imagine the TNT guys see more gains because the actual amount of flow is more than the other companies. Notice I did not mention features, as I stated all things being equal. Maybe the posts in this forum before concerning this subject is close if not true that TNT based their "jet flow" off from rear wheel hp level increases, where other companies used the flywheel technique as to not overload the engine.
Charlie.
KTamez, I may not be 100% accurate, but after reading several posts from users of TNT and converting from NX to TNT, there are plenty people getting more out of the TNT kit "as per stated jet size." Now, I am no mathmatical expert, but I would have to say the difference between any system, all things being equal, is the name, price, and actaul orfice size ( volumetric area) of flow thru the stated jets. I imagine the TNT guys see more gains because the actual amount of flow is more than the other companies. Notice I did not mention features, as I stated all things being equal. Maybe the posts in this forum before concerning this subject is close if not true that TNT based their "jet flow" off from rear wheel hp level increases, where other companies used the flywheel technique as to not overload the engine.
Charlie.
Trending Topics
12-29-2002, 08:15 PM
#8
Teching In
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 48
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
12-30-2002, 12:28 AM
#9
11 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Sunny San Diego
Posts: 3,066
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Country Boy:
<strong> Ill answer your question with a question....
Which is better, a Camaro or a Firebird? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
It just a matter of preference. Both kits work very well. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Both are good. I prefer the nozzle on the NX than the ring on the TNT.
<strong> Ill answer your question with a question....
Which is better, a Camaro or a Firebird? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
It just a matter of preference. Both kits work very well. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Both are good. I prefer the nozzle on the NX than the ring on the TNT.
12-30-2002, 12:48 AM
#10
TECH Addict
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainville,MA
Posts: 2,850
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I have NX bottle opener on my TNT bottles, (3) I machined up 3 bottle rings for the necks so opener will work flawlessly ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
In my sig are power levels with a dyno wideband tuned o2 A/F ratio of 12.5 !
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
I have stock manifolds and convertors in place, albeit the power levels could and should be a 100+ on the HP and 200+ on the TQ if headers were in place, but money has been tight, so for now manifolds will have to do ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I have NX bottle opener on my TNT bottles, (3) I machined up 3 bottle rings for the necks so opener will work flawlessly ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
In my sig are power levels with a dyno wideband tuned o2 A/F ratio of 12.5 !
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
I have stock manifolds and convertors in place, albeit the power levels could and should be a 100+ on the HP and 200+ on the TQ if headers were in place, but money has been tight, so for now manifolds will have to do ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
12-31-2002, 10:19 PM
#11
TECH Regular
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Yakima, WA
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by CAT3:
<strong> KTamez, I may not be 100% accurate, but after reading several posts from users of TNT and converting from NX to TNT, there are plenty people getting more out of the TNT kit "as per stated jet size." Now, I am no mathmatical expert, but I would have to say the difference between any system, all things being equal, is the name, price, and actaul orfice size ( volumetric area) of flow thru the stated jets. I imagine the TNT guys see more gains because the actual amount of flow is more than the other companies. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I pretty much agree with what you're saying here. In a basic sense a Nitrous system and engine is kind of like a computer. Ever heard the say "$#!t in $#!t out."? For any given amount of nitrous into an engine, no matter what brand is on the solenoids or Nozzles, they will make the same HP. Now on one hand this is simplifying things far too much. We have variables such as atomization, distribution, etc etc. However in this case, and at this level I just don't see these small things being a large factor.
I'm not pointing any fingers at TNT for overrating systems, or misleading anyone by rating their systems differently(not even saying if they are or aren't).
I'd just like to compare the orifice sizes of both to compare. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I think that will tell the tale by itself. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<strong> KTamez, I may not be 100% accurate, but after reading several posts from users of TNT and converting from NX to TNT, there are plenty people getting more out of the TNT kit "as per stated jet size." Now, I am no mathmatical expert, but I would have to say the difference between any system, all things being equal, is the name, price, and actaul orfice size ( volumetric area) of flow thru the stated jets. I imagine the TNT guys see more gains because the actual amount of flow is more than the other companies. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I pretty much agree with what you're saying here. In a basic sense a Nitrous system and engine is kind of like a computer. Ever heard the say "$#!t in $#!t out."? For any given amount of nitrous into an engine, no matter what brand is on the solenoids or Nozzles, they will make the same HP. Now on one hand this is simplifying things far too much. We have variables such as atomization, distribution, etc etc. However in this case, and at this level I just don't see these small things being a large factor.
I'm not pointing any fingers at TNT for overrating systems, or misleading anyone by rating their systems differently(not even saying if they are or aren't).
I'd just like to compare the orifice sizes of both to compare. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I think that will tell the tale by itself. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
12-31-2002, 10:38 PM
#12
TECH Regular
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Yakima, WA
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? Here is the jet pattern for the LT1cars in comparison to an NX system. This is taking into account that TNT uses two jets and calculating the effective orifice surface area of the two jets for an equal comparison.
100hp
TNT 55.1 Nitrous / 25.4 Fuel
NX 52.0 Nitrous / 31.0 Fuel
150hp
TNT 65.0 Nitrous / 35.3 Fuel
NX 62.0 Nitrous / 35.0 Fuel
Seems someone is using bigger jets labeled the same. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> This isn't a bad thing. but I'm betting if you equaled the Orifice size between the two you'll find the end dyno number come out a little more equal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I just think prospective Nitrous system consumers should educate themselves in what each system is doing and is capable of.
If anyone is interested in posting LS1 Jet patterns I'd be glad to compare them also.
No skin off my nose, I'm not using either system. LOL.
Kurtis
"Nitrous Pro Flow Equipped"
100hp
TNT 55.1 Nitrous / 25.4 Fuel
NX 52.0 Nitrous / 31.0 Fuel
150hp
TNT 65.0 Nitrous / 35.3 Fuel
NX 62.0 Nitrous / 35.0 Fuel
Seems someone is using bigger jets labeled the same. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> This isn't a bad thing. but I'm betting if you equaled the Orifice size between the two you'll find the end dyno number come out a little more equal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I just think prospective Nitrous system consumers should educate themselves in what each system is doing and is capable of.
If anyone is interested in posting LS1 Jet patterns I'd be glad to compare them also.
No skin off my nose, I'm not using either system. LOL.
Kurtis
"Nitrous Pro Flow Equipped"
01-01-2003, 03:16 PM
#14
Restricted User
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 7,603
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? Kurtis, my point exactly. Now all we need is someone with some good time on their hands and a really accurate tool/equation to figure out the actual volume of each systems spray capability. I think if anyone would like to figure this out, 100shot would be best, more common than 150 and sounds nice too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I plan on installing the new NX DP kit this spring, so all this will be for eduactional purposes only. Already it has helped explain why a friend runs that extra tenth quicker in the quarter than I do, he uses TNT. NA we are pretty identical, but spraying he always seemed to get more.
Charlie.
I plan on installing the new NX DP kit this spring, so all this will be for eduactional purposes only. Already it has helped explain why a friend runs that extra tenth quicker in the quarter than I do, he uses TNT. NA we are pretty identical, but spraying he always seemed to get more.
Charlie.
01-04-2003, 08:07 PM
#15
TECH Addict
iTrader: (36)
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Murphy, Tx
Posts: 2,526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Orange Krush:
<strong> TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How do you have that much pressure on a stock pump????? I get bout 61 idling. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<strong> TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How do you have that much pressure on a stock pump????? I get bout 61 idling. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
01-04-2003, 08:08 PM
#16
TECH Addict
iTrader: (36)
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Murphy, Tx
Posts: 2,526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Orange Krush:
<strong> TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How do you have that much pressure on a stock pump????? I get bout 61 idling. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<strong> TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How do you have that much pressure on a stock pump????? I get bout 61 idling. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
01-04-2003, 08:33 PM
#18
Formerly 4mulaJoe
iTrader: (11)
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: hou
Posts: 2,763
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? Actually the best kit could be the one you piece together using various brands of hardware. Btween TNT and NX, they are BOTH top notch. Go with whichever one gives you the best deal. I was going to buy an NX b/c it was cheaper but ran into a cheap tnt kit this time.
01-04-2003, 09:02 PM
#19
TECH Regular
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 439
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? I ve used Nos dry : 75/100/125 hp jets(Extra)nice kit very easy to install ,stealty
NX wet :100/150 hp jets very easy to install
TNT wet: 100/150 hp(insane power with 150 hp! it almost feel like a 250 hp shot on my BB 69 Camaro)Other than the lid issues my vote goes for the TNT <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
NX wet :100/150 hp jets very easy to install
TNT wet: 100/150 hp(insane power with 150 hp! it almost feel like a 250 hp shot on my BB 69 Camaro)Other than the lid issues my vote goes for the TNT <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
01-04-2003, 11:36 PM
#20
TECH Addict
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainville,MA
Posts: 2,850
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which is better NX or TNT? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Blue99Ws7:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Orange Krush:
<strong> TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How do you have that much pressure on a stock pump????? I get bout 61 idling. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heavy gauge wire from power block to pump ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Orange Krush:
<strong> TNT spoken here ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
I am using stock fuel pump still, at idle I have 70 psi.!
The lowest fuel pressure I have seen on 150 shot was 61 psi. !
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How do you have that much pressure on a stock pump????? I get bout 61 idling. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heavy gauge wire from power block to pump ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />