Car on E85, stand alone on race gas?
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Car on E85, stand alone on race gas? I'm converting my car to E85 and was wondering if I can still use race gas in my stand alone. I have my 2 stage system going pretty good and want to leave the jetting the way it is. Didnt know if anything would be wrong doing it that way. thanks
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thank you,
on another note I really appreciate you guys (NX) and Nitrous Outlet always answering questions and helping us out. My only reason still staying nitrous. I have a brand new turbo kit for my car that I bought from a vendor who didnt answer my questions and I thought maybe that he sees that I bought it anyways he would answer some now and still no answers thru email's or calls. So it sits in boxes. I'm just amazed and yes I didnt expect immediate answers but after a month with no communication. (sucks) enough of my rant.
thanks again Andel
on another note I really appreciate you guys (NX) and Nitrous Outlet always answering questions and helping us out. My only reason still staying nitrous. I have a brand new turbo kit for my car that I bought from a vendor who didnt answer my questions and I thought maybe that he sees that I bought it anyways he would answer some now and still no answers thru email's or calls. So it sits in boxes. I'm just amazed and yes I didnt expect immediate answers but after a month with no communication. (sucks) enough of my rant.
thanks again Andel
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That's unfortunate. That's one of the things we strive for, you don't really have a product without good tech support behind it.
Let me know if you come up with anymore questions man!
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Let me know if you come up with anymore questions man!
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Personally, I wouldn't mix the two fuels. Are you tuning by the spark plugs?
When reading a gas plug, we are looking for the fuel ring at the base of the porcelain. On an E85 plug, we are looking for a turn of color on the base ring of the plug to tell us where our jetting is. When mixing the two fuels, it is difficult to get a correct reading. If you try to read the plug like a gas plug,it will come out squeaky clean and you will end up putting so much fuel to the motor that you will hurt it. If you try to read it like an E85 plug, it will get close but you can miss on the enrichment side. If the OP is just tuning off of a wideband, what lambda do you shoot for? I know people have done it, but I don't recommend it for the average guy.
To the OP, just put E85 or E98 in your stand alone and bump your fuel jetting by 20%. It will be much easier to tune in the long run.
To the OP, just put E85 or E98 in your stand alone and bump your fuel jetting by 20%. It will be much easier to tune in the long run.
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Personally I'd just run E85 in the engine and the stand alone but we have some customers that don’t want to leave E85 in the standalone due to the corrosion factor of ethanol.
Injecting two different types of fuel into an engine works great and is nothing to be afraid of. Think about all the people that have been successfully spraying methanol on top of a gasoline fueled engine for years. I do recommend using a wide band to tune a dual fuel type setup and it is simpler for most people to understand the correct fueling when you speak in Lambda terms instead of AFR (since lambda remains consistent between fuel types and stoichiometric AFR does not). In most street nitrous applications we recommend targeting around .80 to .85 Lambda. It is worth noting that .80 Lambda will display as 11.76 on a gasoline specific wide band gauge or as 7.81 on an E85 specific wide band gauge.
Injecting two different types of fuel into an engine works great and is nothing to be afraid of. Think about all the people that have been successfully spraying methanol on top of a gasoline fueled engine for years. I do recommend using a wide band to tune a dual fuel type setup and it is simpler for most people to understand the correct fueling when you speak in Lambda terms instead of AFR (since lambda remains consistent between fuel types and stoichiometric AFR does not). In most street nitrous applications we recommend targeting around .80 to .85 Lambda. It is worth noting that .80 Lambda will display as 11.76 on a gasoline specific wide band gauge or as 7.81 on an E85 specific wide band gauge.
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Why not put e85 into the stand alone and let it eat?
Mine runs on e85 with e85 in the stand alone so there isn't a drop in the pressure causing a lean spike.
There are a few good reads on yellow bullet about this same subject if you would like to do some reading. Most everyone was echoing the same thing as Brandon.
Personally I'd just run E85 in the engine and the stand alone but we have some customers that don’t want to leave E85 in the standalone due to the corrosion factor of ethanol.
Injecting two different types of fuel into an engine works great and is nothing to be afraid of. Think about all the people that have been successfully spraying methanol on top of a gasoline fueled engine for years. I do recommend using a wide band to tune a dual fuel type setup and it is simpler for most people to understand the correct fueling when you speak in Lambda terms instead of AFR (since lambda remains consistent between fuel types and stoichiometric AFR does not). In most street nitrous applications we recommend targeting around .80 to .85 Lambda. It is worth noting that .80 Lambda will display as 11.76 on a gasoline specific wide band gauge or as 7.81 on an E85 specific wide band gauge.
Injecting two different types of fuel into an engine works great and is nothing to be afraid of. Think about all the people that have been successfully spraying methanol on top of a gasoline fueled engine for years. I do recommend using a wide band to tune a dual fuel type setup and it is simpler for most people to understand the correct fueling when you speak in Lambda terms instead of AFR (since lambda remains consistent between fuel types and stoichiometric AFR does not). In most street nitrous applications we recommend targeting around .80 to .85 Lambda. It is worth noting that .80 Lambda will display as 11.76 on a gasoline specific wide band gauge or as 7.81 on an E85 specific wide band gauge.
Regardless. Those guys that are spraying meth on top of gas powered motors are likely running forced induction rather than nitrous. We have customers running alcohol and spray leaded race gas on top of it. With the jetting they are on, we are actually getting enough fuel from the enrichment side to see it on the plug. What if the guy is running a direct port? Do you still tune it off the wideband that is just gathering an average across all 8 cylinders? What is the point of having a direct port then if you can't correct cylinder to cylinder? How about just avoiding all of this and running the same type of fuel in the car and tuning it right?
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I do have a wide band and I use it to make sure everything is good but I trust my plug reading first. I think I'm just going to run the race fuel first as I'm getting different answers on the e85 ratio. Being told 30%, some say20% I know I'm on the edge on my tune. I run 10's on the motor and 9 on Nitrous with DR's . I have the 102 dual stage plate from Nitrous Outlet. I had Jeramy Fermato tune it before with the old setup so my E85 tune should be good when he does the new tune.
When reading a gas plug, we are looking for the fuel ring at the base of the porcelain. On an E85 plug, we are looking for a turn of color on the base ring of the plug to tell us where our jetting is. When mixing the two fuels, it is difficult to get a correct reading. If you try to read the plug like a gas plug,it will come out squeaky clean and you will end up putting so much fuel to the motor that you will hurt it. If you try to read it like an E85 plug, it will get close but you can miss on the enrichment side. If the OP is just tuning off of a wideband, what lambda do you shoot for? I know people have done it, but I don't recommend it for the average guy.
To the OP, just put E85 or E98 in your stand alone and bump your fuel jetting by 20%. It will be much easier to tune in the long run.
To the OP, just put E85 or E98 in your stand alone and bump your fuel jetting by 20%. It will be much easier to tune in the long run.
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my nitrous tune is spot on with what I'm doing. That tuning is done up to a 250 shot. So pretty much I don't read my plugs to get it right but I check my plugs to make sure everything is still good. Jeramy Fermato is going to do my E85 tune on the motor. Motor tunes I read my wide band and use the dyno, my nitrous runs I read my plugs all the time and yes I cut them open, (not all but a few) So I was just wondering if I can mix the 2. Now if I run E85 in my standalone then I'm back to testing, reading, testing, reading all over.
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So I'm just going to try mixing as the consensus here and at the track seem to be a 50 50 mix. thanks for the info and opinions. As soon as my hat with two pumps comes in for my tank I'll give it a try and post what happens.
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I agree. . I've spoke to a extremely reputable tuner on here that tuned my car recently and he said e85 Is great up to around a 400 hit.
Why not put e85 into the stand alone and let it eat?
Mine runs on e85 with e85 in the stand alone so there isn't a drop in the pressure causing a lean spike.
There are a few good reads on yellow bullet about this same subject if you would like to do some reading. Most everyone was echoing the same thing as Brandon.
Why not put e85 into the stand alone and let it eat?
Mine runs on e85 with e85 in the stand alone so there isn't a drop in the pressure causing a lean spike.
There are a few good reads on yellow bullet about this same subject if you would like to do some reading. Most everyone was echoing the same thing as Brandon.
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