Nitrous tuning questions
Good! You could use the experience. From his initial post he is saying where it was going RICH and after following your advise, all of the sudden he is 18:1 lean? So let me get this straight: He has a Nitrous Outlet Dedicated fuel system. What Nitrous system is the OP running?
To the OP: If you would like some help with the fuel system, feel free to contact me.
To the OP: If you would like some help with the fuel system, feel free to contact me.
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Good! You could use the experience. From his initial post he is saying where it was going RICH and after following your advise, all of the sudden he is 18:1 lean? So let me get this straight: He has a Nitrous Outlet Dedicated fuel system. What Nitrous system is the OP running?
To the OP: If you would like some help with the fuel system, feel free to contact me.
To the OP: If you would like some help with the fuel system, feel free to contact me.
Thanks,
Garrett
What does air in the supply line to the fuel solenoid have to do with the nitrous system? Other than where the standalone is mounted in reference to the fuel solenoid(s). That seems like the problem would lie in the fuel supply, not the nitrous system. I am here to provide tech advice to customers, not take personal stabs at competitors.
Thanks,
Garrett
Thanks,
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I saw on your tank that your return the fuel at the very top of the tank. In some of our development of our standalones, we found that we were getting alot of air bubbles in the tank and sucked back up into the fuel supply when doing it that way, that is why all of our standalone systems return at the bottom of the tank. I could see this being a definite possibility if the return was peeing fuel right on top of where the pump picks up fuel, especially as the fuel level got lower in the tank. That is just what we found in our own research.
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Probably the fact that OP mentioned above the tuner put in a fatter fuel jet and bumped the pressure up 5-10 lbs. The rich condition may not be as noticeable in a lower gear when the car is under more of a load, it could also be from some other variable, but we have ran through most of the common stuff already.
I saw on your tank that your return the fuel at the very top of the tank. In some of our development of our standalones, we found that we were getting alot of air bubbles in the tank and sucked back up into the fuel supply when doing it that way, that is why all of our standalone systems return at the bottom of the tank. I could see this being a definite possibility if the return was peeing fuel right on top of where the pump picks up fuel. That is just what we found in our own research.
Thanks,
Garrett
I saw on your tank that your return the fuel at the very top of the tank. In some of our development of our standalones, we found that we were getting alot of air bubbles in the tank and sucked back up into the fuel supply when doing it that way, that is why all of our standalone systems return at the bottom of the tank. I could see this being a definite possibility if the return was peeing fuel right on top of where the pump picks up fuel. That is just what we found in our own research.
Thanks,
Garrett
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I am not saying there is anything wrong with your product, however I am just curious to try and help the customer along. This is the unit he appears to have. That fitting that you are returning fuel to the tank is all the way at the top of the tank. This is exactly what I am talking about that gave us trouble with air bubbles in our initial R&D. Do you have a tube on the other side of this fitting to return the fuel right at the bottom of the tank? Or is it just an open hole "pissing" the fuel out the other side?
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Garrett
Garrett,
You do realize that Nitrous Outlet is the company that created and brought to market the dedicated fuel systems right? We had this product line on the market well over 5 years before NX started building a cheaply made knock off.
Your R&D was hey lets knock off Nitrous Outlets ****.
That being said the return does circulate back into the top of that tank. But the pump sucks from the very bottom where it is full of liquid. There is no problem with the design.
Dave
You do realize that Nitrous Outlet is the company that created and brought to market the dedicated fuel systems right? We had this product line on the market well over 5 years before NX started building a cheaply made knock off.
Your R&D was hey lets knock off Nitrous Outlets ****.
That being said the return does circulate back into the top of that tank. But the pump sucks from the very bottom where it is full of liquid. There is no problem with the design.
Dave
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Garrett,
You do realize that Nitrous Outlet is the company that created and brought to market the dedicated fuel systems right? We had this product line on the market well over 5 years before NX started building a cheaply made knock off.
Your R&D was hey lets knock off Nitrous Outlets ****.
That being said the return does circulate back into the top of that tank. But the pump sucks from the very bottom where it is full of liquid. There is no problem with the design.
Dave
You do realize that Nitrous Outlet is the company that created and brought to market the dedicated fuel systems right? We had this product line on the market well over 5 years before NX started building a cheaply made knock off.
Your R&D was hey lets knock off Nitrous Outlets ****.
That being said the return does circulate back into the top of that tank. But the pump sucks from the very bottom where it is full of liquid. There is no problem with the design.
Dave
I’m only trying to help the customer. There is no need to act that way.
Oh and for the record, Nitrous Outlet did not invent stand alone fuel systems. Mike Wood (the owner of NX) has been building and using stand alone fuel systems since the 80s. I’m not saying that NX invented stand alone fuel systems… I’m just saying that Nitrous outlet did not invent them either.
FYI, Here are a few pictures of the NX Mustang with a NX stand alone fuel system which was built back in 2006.
We release the all in one dedicated fuel systems around 2002-2003. I owned a speed shop back then and got tired of using a JR dragster fuel cell with a Aeromotive street rod pump and regulator, or holly blue and regulator. I designed the first system off my personal 1999 HOSS. There is actually a thread here on LS1tech somewhere of the process.
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We release the all in one dedicated fuel systems around 2002-2003. I owned a speed shop back then and got tired of using a JR dragster fuel cell with a Aeromotive street rod pump and regulator, or holly blue and regulator. I designed the first system off my personal 1999 HOSS. There is actually a thread here on LS1tech somewhere of the process.
Dave
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The point is you didn't create the first standalone system like you said you did above. I am done posting on this thread both for maturity reasons and the fact that this has totally gotten off topic. I am here to offer non-biased tech advice and help the customers in any way I can. Not to take stabs at competitors.
Thanks,
Garrett
Thanks,
Garrett
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Finally have some time to check in and see what's going on and if I got any more advice on my problem. Let me clear some things up.......
First, car was taken to a tuner to have it tuned for spray. Tuner had the same lean a/f as I did, so bigger fuel jet was put in to see if that didn't rich'n the mixture up. It did, along with more fuel pressure being needed. Car had a good a/f in first and second, but in third it fell on its face and was super fat.
I picked car up like that and was going to figure this out myself. This brings me to where I'm at currently. I put the 100 pills in and was seeing what's going on. No fuel is being sprayed, but when you take line off the plate and put power and ground to the solenoid it sprays so the noid is doing what it's supposed to do. Which is leading me to believe something is going on with standalone pump or regulator. Pump works tho, cause it's sending fuel to the noid.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Forgot to add, the A/F with the kit armed, and the bottle CLOSED is 12.2-12.5. Figured it would be a lot richer than that
First, car was taken to a tuner to have it tuned for spray. Tuner had the same lean a/f as I did, so bigger fuel jet was put in to see if that didn't rich'n the mixture up. It did, along with more fuel pressure being needed. Car had a good a/f in first and second, but in third it fell on its face and was super fat.
I picked car up like that and was going to figure this out myself. This brings me to where I'm at currently. I put the 100 pills in and was seeing what's going on. No fuel is being sprayed, but when you take line off the plate and put power and ground to the solenoid it sprays so the noid is doing what it's supposed to do. Which is leading me to believe something is going on with standalone pump or regulator. Pump works tho, cause it's sending fuel to the noid.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Forgot to add, the A/F with the kit armed, and the bottle CLOSED is 12.2-12.5. Figured it would be a lot richer than that
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Finally have some time to check in and see what's going on and if I got any more advice on my problem. Let me clear some things up.......
First, car was taken to a tuner to have it tuned for spray. Tuner had the same lean a/f as I did, so bigger fuel jet was put in to see if that didn't rich'n the mixture up. It did, along with more fuel pressure being needed. Car had a good a/f in first and second, but in third it fell on its face and was super fat.
I picked car up like that and was going to figure this out myself. This brings me to where I'm at currently. I put the 100 pills in and was seeing what's going on. No fuel is being sprayed, but when you take line off the plate and put power and ground to the solenoid it sprays so the noid is doing what it's supposed to do. Which is leading me to believe something is going on with standalone pump or regulator. Pump works tho, cause it's sending fuel to the noid.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Forgot to add, the A/F with the kit armed, and the bottle CLOSED is 12.2-12.5. Figured it would be a lot richer than that
First, car was taken to a tuner to have it tuned for spray. Tuner had the same lean a/f as I did, so bigger fuel jet was put in to see if that didn't rich'n the mixture up. It did, along with more fuel pressure being needed. Car had a good a/f in first and second, but in third it fell on its face and was super fat.
I picked car up like that and was going to figure this out myself. This brings me to where I'm at currently. I put the 100 pills in and was seeing what's going on. No fuel is being sprayed, but when you take line off the plate and put power and ground to the solenoid it sprays so the noid is doing what it's supposed to do. Which is leading me to believe something is going on with standalone pump or regulator. Pump works tho, cause it's sending fuel to the noid.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Forgot to add, the A/F with the kit armed, and the bottle CLOSED is 12.2-12.5. Figured it would be a lot richer than that
Thanks,
Garrett
Last edited by NitrousExpress; May 20, 2015 at 09:14 AM.
Finally have some time to check in and see what's going on and if I got any more advice on my problem. Let me clear some things up.......
First, car was taken to a tuner to have it tuned for spray. Tuner had the same lean a/f as I did, so bigger fuel jet was put in to see if that didn't rich'n the mixture up. It did, along with more fuel pressure being needed. Car had a good a/f in first and second, but in third it fell on its face and was super fat.
I picked car up like that and was going to figure this out myself. This brings me to where I'm at currently. I put the 100 pills in and was seeing what's going on. No fuel is being sprayed, but when you take line off the plate and put power and ground to the solenoid it sprays so the noid is doing what it's supposed to do. Which is leading me to believe something is going on with standalone pump or regulator. Pump works tho, cause it's sending fuel to the noid.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Forgot to add, the A/F with the kit armed, and the bottle CLOSED is 12.2-12.5. Figured it would be a lot richer than that
First, car was taken to a tuner to have it tuned for spray. Tuner had the same lean a/f as I did, so bigger fuel jet was put in to see if that didn't rich'n the mixture up. It did, along with more fuel pressure being needed. Car had a good a/f in first and second, but in third it fell on its face and was super fat.
I picked car up like that and was going to figure this out myself. This brings me to where I'm at currently. I put the 100 pills in and was seeing what's going on. No fuel is being sprayed, but when you take line off the plate and put power and ground to the solenoid it sprays so the noid is doing what it's supposed to do. Which is leading me to believe something is going on with standalone pump or regulator. Pump works tho, cause it's sending fuel to the noid.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Forgot to add, the A/F with the kit armed, and the bottle CLOSED is 12.2-12.5. Figured it would be a lot richer than that
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I would fill the standalone all the way up and see if that changes the way its acting. My bet is on the way the return is plumbed into the tank. You should be tuning for about half a point richer on nitrous wide open than what you are running on motor.
Thanks,
Garrett
Thanks,
Garrett
We just welcomed my son into the world last week. Things have been a little busy for me sir
No sir. Can't seem to find one local and I'm not gonna buy one to use once, lol