Progressive and 2 step?
Progressive and 2 step? I am piecing everything together for my nitrous kit. I pain on spraying a single stage 200 shot. I have a trans brake that will need wired in. I found a simple wire diagram for just a simple nitrous kit with adding a brake.
But I think it's going to be pretty violent and would like to add a progressive controller. Also from what I read it should add a 2 step also. What are your opinions on my set up and also what is a simple controller and simple 2 step to add to my mix.
But I think it's going to be pretty violent and would like to add a progressive controller. Also from what I read it should add a 2 step also. What are your opinions on my set up and also what is a simple controller and simple 2 step to add to my mix.
it will allow you to launch below the converters stall point.
the MSD 2 step wires into the coils, and to an activation wire, usually tapped into the transbrake switch.
Using the LPE NCC progressive, you can use the transbrake wire to also interupt the progressive. That way once you stage, you engage the transbrake, 2 step activates, you floor the gas pedal... once you release the transbrake button, 2 step disengages, and progressive begins.
the MSD 2 step wires into the coils, and to an activation wire, usually tapped into the transbrake switch.
Using the LPE NCC progressive, you can use the transbrake wire to also interupt the progressive. That way once you stage, you engage the transbrake, 2 step activates, you floor the gas pedal... once you release the transbrake button, 2 step disengages, and progressive begins.
Yeah that is exactly what I want. I searched last night on a wire schematic to wire it all just how you explained it. Found alot of people asking the same question. But no answers. I found alot of wire diagrams for the brake and nitrous or nitrous and progressor. But not everything. I will search some more tonight. My buddy just texted me and I am going to buy his msd 2 step from him. So now what are you guys having best luck with on the progressive kit? Simple to use and also simple to wire in.
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Wiring diagrams We have some wiring diagrams in the LNC 2-step instructions and also some in the NCC progressive nitrous controller instructions.
Our new web site has the instructions on the product page for each product but we also have a combined instructions section here:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/category/P03.html
Our new web site has the instructions on the product page for each product but we also have a combined instructions section here:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/category/P03.html
Yeah that is exactly what I want. I searched last night on a wire schematic to wire it all just how you explained it. Found alot of people asking the same question. But no answers. I found alot of wire diagrams for the brake and nitrous or nitrous and progressor. But not everything. I will search some more tonight. My buddy just texted me and I am going to buy his msd 2 step from him. So now what are you guys having best luck with on the progressive kit? Simple to use and also simple to wire in.
Didn't know LPE did a 2 step....
Does LPE have a 2 step, and timing retard box in 1? Or is it 3 boxes? Timing controller, 2 step and progressive?
If LPE makes the product I would recommend them
Does LPE have a 2 step, and timing retard box in 1? Or is it 3 boxes? Timing controller, 2 step and progressive?
If LPE makes the product I would recommend them
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LPE 2-step and timing retard Yes, we have a 2-step and we have a version that also does timing retard and 2-step. We don't have a device that is all three (2-step, timing retard + progressive nitrous controller).
Our 2-step with timing retard is our LNC-2000 for LS1, LS6, LS2, LS3, LS7 and other similar GM Gen III & IV V8 engines (except LSA & LS9).
The LNC-2000 has one RPM limiter function and then also has a timing retard function. You can set the timing retard amount and ramp rate on the 2-step itself or you can have an external device like our NCC progressive nitrous controller control the amount of timing retard.
The LNC-2001 is the same device as the LNC-2000 but with coil pack harness connectors for the LSA and LS9 engines (they use different harnesses than the LS1, LS2, LS3, LS6, LS7...).
The LNC-2014 is also basically the same device but with individual coil male/female connectors needed for the 2014+ direct injection engines (LT1, L86, L83, LT4) because they don't have coil pack harnesses so you have to connect to each coil.
Here is a link to the instructions for the LNC-2000:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/PDFdownloads/L460145297.pdf
Here is a link to the product page on our web site:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/PROD.htm...ode=L460145297
We also have a true 2-step controller that has two rpm settings but it does not perform timing retard. The device is our LNC-003.
Our 2-step with timing retard is our LNC-2000 for LS1, LS6, LS2, LS3, LS7 and other similar GM Gen III & IV V8 engines (except LSA & LS9).
The LNC-2000 has one RPM limiter function and then also has a timing retard function. You can set the timing retard amount and ramp rate on the 2-step itself or you can have an external device like our NCC progressive nitrous controller control the amount of timing retard.
The LNC-2001 is the same device as the LNC-2000 but with coil pack harness connectors for the LSA and LS9 engines (they use different harnesses than the LS1, LS2, LS3, LS6, LS7...).
The LNC-2014 is also basically the same device but with individual coil male/female connectors needed for the 2014+ direct injection engines (LT1, L86, L83, LT4) because they don't have coil pack harnesses so you have to connect to each coil.
Here is a link to the instructions for the LNC-2000:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/PDFdownloads/L460145297.pdf
Here is a link to the product page on our web site:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/PROD.htm...ode=L460145297
We also have a true 2-step controller that has two rpm settings but it does not perform timing retard. The device is our LNC-003.
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Verdad Gallardo I think I will end up going with lingenfelter 2 step and ignition retard model. But your guys progressive model is pretty expensive. Has any one ever wired it to switch to be able to run 2 different tunes? Like a on the fly switch. From a na tune to a nitrous tune. Someone on one forumbrella mention something about wiring in a diode and was able to do this.
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Timing retard for nitrous Most people who use the LNC-2000 for timing retard are using it for just that. They have a no nitrous calibration in the ECM/PCM and then they use the LNC-2000 to take out the timing when the nitrous is active. You can take out up to 15 degrees of timing with the LNC-2000.
If you don't have the LPE NCC nitrous controller you can still have progressive timing retard using the built ramp rate feature of the LNC-2000 timing retard to make the timing retard progressive at the same ramp rate as your progressive nitrous controller.
Most nitrous controllers have a timer out or something similar that can be used to activate the LNC-2000 timing retard when the nitrous becomes active. If your nitrous controller doesn't have that or you aren't using a controller then you can just use the same inputs being used to activate the nitrous to activate the timing retard. You may have to use a relay to isolate the LNC from that or to convert the activation signal (ground, voltage etc.).
If you don't have the LPE NCC nitrous controller you can still have progressive timing retard using the built ramp rate feature of the LNC-2000 timing retard to make the timing retard progressive at the same ramp rate as your progressive nitrous controller.
Most nitrous controllers have a timer out or something similar that can be used to activate the LNC-2000 timing retard when the nitrous becomes active. If your nitrous controller doesn't have that or you aren't using a controller then you can just use the same inputs being used to activate the nitrous to activate the timing retard. You may have to use a relay to isolate the LNC from that or to convert the activation signal (ground, voltage etc.).
I think I will end up going with lingenfelter 2 step and ignition retard model. But your guys progressive model is pretty expensive. Has any one ever wired it to switch to be able to run 2 different tunes? Like a on the fly switch. From a na tune to a nitrous tune. Someone on one forumbrella mention something about wiring in a diode and was able to do this.
Most people who use the LNC-2000 for timing retard are using it for just that. They have a no nitrous calibration in the ECM/PCM and then they use the LNC-2000 to take out the timing when the nitrous is active. You can take out up to 15 degrees of timing with the LNC-2000.
If you don't have the LPE NCC nitrous controller you can still have progressive timing retard using the built ramp rate feature of the LNC-2000 timing retard to make the timing retard progressive at the same ramp rate as your progressive nitrous controller.
Most nitrous controllers have a timer out or something similar that can be used to activate the LNC-2000 timing retard when the nitrous becomes active. If your nitrous controller doesn't have that or you aren't using a controller then you can just use the same inputs being used to activate the nitrous to activate the timing retard. You may have to use a relay to isolate the LNC from that or to convert the activation signal (ground, voltage etc.).
If you don't have the LPE NCC nitrous controller you can still have progressive timing retard using the built ramp rate feature of the LNC-2000 timing retard to make the timing retard progressive at the same ramp rate as your progressive nitrous controller.
Most nitrous controllers have a timer out or something similar that can be used to activate the LNC-2000 timing retard when the nitrous becomes active. If your nitrous controller doesn't have that or you aren't using a controller then you can just use the same inputs being used to activate the nitrous to activate the timing retard. You may have to use a relay to isolate the LNC from that or to convert the activation signal (ground, voltage etc.).
I have a lnc-2000 that I will be using for the timing retard function and was wondering if it can retard timing on the fly when the nitrous system is activated? Kinda similar to the op's question. Let's say I'm at a red light, my nitrous system and the lnc-2000 is off, and I want to use the system right then and there, can I simply flip the switch with the car running that will activate the nitrous and lnc-2000 for timing retard or do I need to shut the car off, activate the system then start the car back up?
I have a lnc-2000 that I will be using for the timing retard function and was wondering if it can retard timing on the fly when the nitrous system is activated? Kinda similar to the op's question. Let's say I'm at a red light, my nitrous system and the lnc-2000 is off, and I want to use the system right then and there, can I simply flip the switch with the car running that will activate the nitrous and lnc-2000 for timing retard or do I need to shut the car off, activate the system then start the car back up?
Even though the LPE NCC Progressive is expensive, its worth every dollar.
Ive had the NOS Launcher and an NLR and the LPE has so many extra features that are worth their weight in gold.
Ive had the NOS Launcher and an NLR and the LPE has so many extra features that are worth their weight in gold.
Awesome. I was reading through the paperwork that came with the lnc-2000 and the way I read it, it wouldn't change on the fly. I was disappointed by that. I'm glad I misunderstood and it does work on the fly! That makes me feel better about choosing the spray over a turbo. Thank you for the input. I'll back this up obviously with my tuner looking into it on the dyno.
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Changes on the fly What the instructions are referring to in regards to changes only being looked at on power up are specifically to changes to the dial settings on the face of the LNC (for 2-step RPM setting, max timing retard & ramp rate). The LNC only looks at those dial settings on start up. This is done to reduce the chances of noise causing a change to those settings while the vehicle is running.
The input wires (activation, MAP/voltage etc.) are all looked at continuously while the LNC is in operation.
The input wires (activation, MAP/voltage etc.) are all looked at continuously while the LNC is in operation.
Awesome. I was reading through the paperwork that came with the lnc-2000 and the way I read it, it wouldn't change on the fly. I was disappointed by that. I'm glad I misunderstood and it does work on the fly! That makes me feel better about choosing the spray over a turbo. Thank you for the input. I'll back this up obviously with my tuner looking into it on the dyno.
What the instructions are referring to in regards to changes only being looked at on power up are specifically to changes to the dial settings on the face of the LNC (for 2-step RPM setting, max timing retard & ramp rate). The LNC only looks at those dial settings on start up. This is done to reduce the chances of noise causing a change to those settings while the vehicle is running.
The input wires (activation, MAP/voltage etc.) are all looked at continuously while the LNC is in operation.
The input wires (activation, MAP/voltage etc.) are all looked at continuously while the LNC is in operation.
