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Old 05-18-2019, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy View Post
Man look. A 5th gen has a less efficient trans and independent rear suspension. Itís more to it than weight. A 4th gen with an ls3 is a very formidable opponent. Is a lighter car, more aerodynamic, lighter and more efficient drive train. Lighter wheels and brakes. You can not compare the two. Even if a 4th gen is lighter by only 300lbs (3800 vs 3500 with is the weights of these two vehicles) the 4th gen with the same stuff done to it will walk all over a 5th gen. Iíve had both. The rotating mass on the 4th gen is much less. That accounts for much more than static weight. I didnít think Iíd have to explain all that, but this is the internet and as usual, someone will disagree.
Spot on man. If my intake and catback only WS.6 could edge out on 5th gens with the same mods I would have walked them with an LS3 in my car.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 5.7stroker View Post
I'm assuming he meant "the norm is a heavy 4000lb ls1"
You know what I meant. A 4th gen usually doesnít weigh 4000 but a 5th most certainly does.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:16 PM
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Look guys, if you have to spray your car to beat a stock 5th gen or 5.0 and you are ok with that, then spray away until you run out. But Iíd rather have the power out the time, not temporary power. All the time meaning a heads and cam car, supercharged or turbo charged.

Truth be told. I have a ls1 GTO. under dog for sure. 5.7 in a heavy, almost 5th weigh chassis. I donít have a fighting chance with this little motor at full weight. I refuse to start stripping my nice daily driven capable vehicle to hang with late model cars. So I put a turbo on it. And now itís barely faster than some really fast stock cars these days. And that bothers me. What would bother me even more is if I came across a mustang thatís bone stock with some girl driving and she put an *** whooping on me the first race and I had to spray her the next to beat her. What if I didnít get that second chance? Then now Iím really bothered (yea I let **** get to me too much). But by doing what I did, it ensures that most stock cars around here wonít beat me. Except a new zr1 and demon. But I wonít bother picking on one of those.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy View Post
The summit stage one ghost cam will work very well. I donít think youíll need a stall. Itíll idle at 600-625, pulls to 6800-7000 and a member on here made 445rwhp with it through an auto with a big stall. Iíd rather do that than nitrous.
I believe that was with the stage2, not the ghost cam. And he has a FAST set up, PRC heads i think too. I did a lot of research on the cam and spoke to summit about it also. Of course i would/could get 100whp on a setup but then comes the stall and by the end of it id be in it too much. But it was my top choice as far as cams go.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy View Post
Man look. A 5th gen has a less efficient trans and independent rear suspension. Itís more to it than weight. A 4th gen with an ls3 is a very formidable opponent. Is a lighter car, more aerodynamic, lighter and more efficient drive train. Lighter wheels and brakes. You can not compare the two. Even if a 4th gen is lighter by only 300lbs (3800 vs 3500 with is the weights of these two vehicles) the 4th gen with the same stuff done to it will walk all over a 5th gen. Iíve had both. The rotating mass on the 4th gen is much less. That accounts for much more than static weight. I didnít think Iíd have to explain all that, but this is the internet and as usual, someone will disagree.
Which is why I own a 4th gen and not a 5th gen. I agree with what you are saying. OP said he wants to out run ls3s though, so that includes the c6 which weighs less than both.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kbronSS View Post
I believe that was with the stage2, not the ghost cam. And he has a FAST set up, PRC heads i think too. I did a lot of research on the cam and spoke to summit about it also. Of course i would/could get 100whp on a setup but then comes the stall and by the end of it id be in it too much. But it was my top choice as far as cams go.
I just text Mavn. He made 459 with the stage one ghost cam. Which that can that was in his car is in my car now. And itís super docile and pulls like crazy. He said the stage two probably picked up 30 wheel. Not worth it in my opinion unless your gonna do the stall to match. Itís all about combo. I was at the track when he ran 11.10 with the ghost cam. Now the car has been lightened and he knows what heís doing with that combo, but that just shows the potential. Iím just a firm believer in that cam, itís the best cam Iíve tried so far. It does it all. Which is amazing.

Btw, we all know that difference between good ls heads isnít that huge. So youíll still be making really good power. Your choice, but thereís no question in my mind what route Iíd go.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:16 PM
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I wasnt even thinking id hit 400whp with my mods and that cam...interesting.
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Old 05-18-2019, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kbronSS View Post
I wasnt even thinking id hit 400whp with my mods and that cam...interesting.

If you have full length headers, certainly you can. Even without headers, the cam I mentioned will still do very well because of the intake - exhaust split.
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Old 05-19-2019, 07:23 AM
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I've had heads and cam, cam only, turbo, 408 stroker w/nitrous, and now my first procharged setup. I'm really liking my current setup, but I think the 408 with nitrous was my favorite so far.
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:22 PM
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I got bone stock 02 trans am 29k miles only mods nx plate kit 150 shot with a lnc-2000 for timing and 15x10 mt drag radials and ran a 7.39 1/8 mile et and i whooped up on 5.0s with na and whipples dodge chargers challengers


Pull timing change plugs and spray away
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