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Old May 13, 2020 | 10:37 PM
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C6 Cammed vette. Bought it about a year ago with the nitrous installed. Recently I switched to E85 and car was tuned with hptuners for an N/A tune and a
nitrous tune. Everything went fine at the dyno, 563whp on the jug, Ran a few times it seemed ok, 57n 35f through a plate. 450lph pump, 1200cc injectors.
Fast Forward to 2 days ago I went to do some test hits on nitrous and there’s a noise like marbles in a can which tuner told me it’s def Detonation, I even tried to use a smaller size nitrous jet 52n leaving the 35f in there and still detonating when I stab it. What could it be the issue..??
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Old May 13, 2020 | 11:30 PM
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What plugs are you running currently ?
Would that be the first time you spray on the street ?
Do you know how many degrees of timing your on while on spray ?
You def need you be checking plugs on spray.
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Old May 14, 2020 | 01:19 AM
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Sounds like maybe your controller may have quit pulling the timing out like its supposed to when you spray it.
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Old May 14, 2020 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TTur1996
Sounds like maybe your controller may have quit pulling the timing out like its supposed to when you spray it.
same thing I was thinking maybe the timing
box went bad, I’ll prob go down to a 50 since that small of a shot shouldn’t really have an effect and see if stops det..
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Old May 14, 2020 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MurderedOutSS
What plugs are you running currently ? Tr6
Would that be the first time you spray on the street ?
No, Car was on a 200 shot, 150 etc. countless times
Do you know how many degrees of timing your on while on spray ? 24 deg [E85]
You def need you be checking plugs on spray.
i do
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One thing I noticed, With the bottle off and
just spraying fuel, the afr’s only went from 12.5 afr’s (that’s the norm for N/A) to like 11.2-10.6. I would think with a 35f jet the widenand would be reading way over rich. So maybe just
maybe the fuel noid doesn’t like E85 and had enough???? Same solenoid was used for 2 years on 93 octane with no issues...
both noids are ColdFusion brands
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Originally Posted by white2kbird
One thing I noticed, With the bottle off and
just spraying fuel, the afr’s only went from 12.5 afr’s (that’s the norm for N/A) to like 11.2-10.6. I would think with a 35f jet the widenand would be reading way over rich. So maybe just
maybe the fuel noid doesn’t like E85 and had enough???? Same solenoid was used for 2 years on 93 octane with no issues...
both noids are ColdFusion brands
1) Shots over 125hp id go another step colder with Br7ef’s
2)pull every plug to examine if it’s detonation or pre ignition
3) if they look fineTry that 50 shot and see if detonation happens again.
4) I’d think those a/f are rich.
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Originally Posted by white2kbird
One thing I noticed, With the bottle off and
just spraying fuel, the afr’s only went from 12.5 afr’s (that’s the norm for N/A) to like 11.2-10.6. I would think with a 35f jet the widenand would be reading way over rich. So maybe just
maybe the fuel noid doesn’t like E85 and had enough???? Same solenoid was used for 2 years on 93 octane with no issues...
both noids are ColdFusion brands
That is definitely a possibility. Are they compatible with E85? Your fuel system too? You have to make sure everything is compatible with E85. A lot of people love it. I myself and a few of my friends had nothing but problems with E85. The AFR log would show it leaning out worse and worse as the day went on. We run a carb and would pull the bowls and blocks off, spray them with carb cleaner, put it back together and it would be fine for 1 or 2 passes then would start going lean again. Always had this clear jelly looking **** in there when we pulled it apart. The only way we could keep the AFR's consistent was to clean the bowls and blocks after every pass. Got real sick of that. After seeing this we decided not to spray with E85.and just changed back over to race gas. We were worried about it messing up our noids, and they were made for E85 but so was our carb. We had a Mark Sullens custom built carb. Carb worked good, was just done messing with cleaning it after every pass. No more issues what so ever with race gas. AFR's stay rock solid now. Haven't had to clean bowls and blocks since. Now we spray the **** out of it too. It was way easier to get the tune right. That's what I found anyway. Best of Luck to You. Hopefully you can get it figured out.
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Any oil on the plugs?

PS....explains the wideband
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