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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 04:59 PM
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Here is a email from Ricky At Nitrous Express...

There are 2 major bottle companies, 3 steelbraided hose companies that are players, One of the 3 could buy the other 2 if they wanted to, 5 solenoids mfg that I would even talk to but there are more if you include vending machine companies, several bottle bracket companies, and over a million machine shops. NX strives to use the best companies for each part they use in ever system. It is not a secret that none of the nitrous companies built there own solenoids, bottles, steelbraided hose not cost effective. These parts are readily available on the open market, you just have to know what you want in DETAIL. This is were NX is different than any other company. We give the best warranties because we do our home work, and buy the best parts. If a company sells something but does not stand behind it then that part is not worth purchasing. Lets talk about jets, it cost thousands of dollars to build the tool to have our logo and jet number on every jet we sell. The customer will know if it is an NX jet or just a knock off. Several companies keep stating they have the same quality as NX, that is a compliment to me. They are trying to raise there status buy mentioning NX, but they do not stand behind there products like we do. NX has had more parts copied or knockoffed by the other guys. NX is the best,for several reasons. More new products then all other companies combined over the last 6 years, the people who work for NX care about the end user and their satisfaction with the parts, Warrany best in the industry. List of new parts: remote bottle opener, SX2 nozzle, Std nozzle, phase three plate, jet wrech, ntercooler kit,GM MAF kit, 5.0 Plate kits, new phase three billet plate, billet y fittings, filter screens in the nitrous solenoids, 4.6 Plate kit, NXL systems, Intergrated fuel rail and solenoid packages, packaging to make sure you get your part intact. This is just a handful. NX is the best period.....


I thought I would Share this with you.
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 05:20 PM
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i knew that, didnt know all the specs, but its very much like valve springs and rods and cranks, theres only about 3 or 4 companies that make them, however some take it a step further and when they get them, they polish them, or bead blast them ect ect ect. kind of like nx says, its the detail and reputation.
Good info Dave.
off topic, where can i get a new motor for my pocket Bike.lol she blew, 117 octain, no oil and the big jet. 50mph!!
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 05:26 PM
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so how does one find out who these manufacturers are? I know the bottle makers from being a scuba diver, but the hoses, solenoids, jets, etc... google turns up the usual suspects (NX, NOS, etc...)
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 05:54 PM
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Good info as I am just starting to look into getting nitrous.
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This info will help in my argument with a fellow LS1 enthusiast as to which nitrous system to get. I say NX but he wants a faggy ZEX kit .
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 08:27 PM
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Hey Nitrous Dave, did you guys ever have any problems with the NX fuel noids freezing up under high pressure fuel systems, like on LS1's?...I remember a couple of years ago, we had alot of cars come in with bad solenoids. As soon as you put pressure (dead head) on the fuel side, it would not work. We would release pressure to about 25-30psi and they would click. Matter of fact, my friend still has about 20 NX fuel noid's that all went bad. As a result, we do not use NX fuel noid's at all. Maybe they have improved, but back when I would call them, they would act like total dicks.

By the way, NX was a John Stewart company. If you've been in nitrous for a while, then you know who John Stewart was. Best carb system ever was his Top Gun systems. I still have two kits that I absolutely will not give up. These things are crazy, consistent and have a kick like a pissed off mule. Anyway...keep up the good work.
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Magic Chicken
so how does one find out who these manufacturers are? I know the bottle makers from being a scuba diver, but the hoses, solenoids, jets, etc... google turns up the usual suspects (NX, NOS, etc...)
Im sorry but I can not not post such info as that.This post was intended to show that just because someone buys parts from the same manafacture does not mean it is just as good quality.
Its kinda of like everything else one company may build several versions of one part.Just because it has the same name does not mean its the same quality.You pay for quality and warrenty...
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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that's cool, I understand that. I'm sure if I dug hard enough I'd find it, it's all public info. I was just being lazy and hoped for the easy answer.
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No love for the Toecutter from Nitro Dave
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Magic Chicken
that's cool, I understand that. I'm sure if I dug hard enough I'd find it, it's all public info. I was just being lazy and hoped for the easy answer.
If you really wanted to know you can (1)-search this site (2)-start a topic asking who they are. It really isnt a secret just research or start a new topic! Good Luck!
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I would be interested in seeing the 20 fuel solenoids that are bad. They would still be cover by the lifetime warranty. Also could you pm me who you spoke with that was " a total dick". John Stewart did help start the company. He was an interesting guy, I do miss our debates.
Ricky

Originally Posted by Toecutter
Hey Nitrous Dave, did you guys ever have any problems with the NX fuel noids freezing up under high pressure fuel systems, like on LS1's?...I remember a couple of years ago, we had alot of cars come in with bad solenoids. As soon as you put pressure (dead head) on the fuel side, it would not work. We would release pressure to about 25-30psi and they would click. Matter of fact, my friend still has about 20 NX fuel noid's that all went bad. As a result, we do not use NX fuel noid's at all. Maybe they have improved, but back when I would call them, they would act like total dicks.

By the way, NX was a John Stewart company. If you've been in nitrous for a while, then you know who John Stewart was. Best carb system ever was his Top Gun systems. I still have two kits that I absolutely will not give up. These things are crazy, consistent and have a kick like a pissed off mule. Anyway...keep up the good work.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 08:58 AM
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No love for the Toecutter from Nitro Dave
LOL,
I typed a responce and then deleted it.Because I thought it may be to direct and look like I was trying to be a jerk when I wasnt.So Ill type it again and just tell you im not trying to be a jerk.LOL

I remember John Stewert.I never had any one on one dealings with him.However I am aware he was a very knowledgeable man.He was a sponsor on this board before I came aboard.Shortly after John passed away.I am aware of topgun.I still get calls from customers with top gun parts here and then.

Ok I have seen solenoids go bad.Most of the time it is the ingredients in the fuel a customer is running causing the plunger to swell.Or a bad ground smoking the coil.I will say in the last 5 years I have had only a few cases where this has happened.What catches my interest is that you say your buddy has 20 solenoids.In all the nitrous sales and tech we do I have not have seen a problem with hardly any NX solenoids that was not user error like wiring....Or the fuel additive causing piston swell.Im not saying that it is impossible that your buddy had a problem with a fuel solenoid but 20 man thats a tuff one to swollow.

This is my openion based off of my knowledge and hands on work.Now dont take it wrong you asked for some love.LOL

Dave

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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Toecutter
As soon as you put pressure (dead head) on the fuel side, it would not work. We would release pressure to about 25-30psi and they would click. Matter of fact, my friend still has about 20 NX fuel noid's that all went bad. As a result, we do not use NX fuel noid's at all.
That seems really odd to me, I'm a member of many different car sites. But we will just stick with the ratio of NX wet kit user's on this site. Probably 60 to 70 % of the wet kit user's on this board use NX wet kit's. Every once in a while you hear about a fuel noid locking up & it can almost always be tracked back to piston swelling due to certain additives. I find it really hard to believe that he has 20 dead fuel noids. After about the 3rd fuel noid failure I would have gone to another companies noids. As hard as I spray both of my fast cars, everytime I had a fuel noid failure I would probably have a bad motor so to me 20 dead fuel noids = about 20 dead engines. Sounds fishy to me. But that's just IMHO.
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Aeroquip and Stratoflex both make braided hose. I can get it in bulk but it's expensive because it comes with aviation certs. Aeroquip also manufcatures alot of fittings.

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so how does one find out who these manufacturers are? I know the bottle makers from being a scuba diver, but the hoses, solenoids, jets, etc... google turns up the usual suspects (NX, NOS, etc...)
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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I knew some of you would raise the BS meter...LOL! Like I said, this was a few years ago. I haven't been thru my friend's tool box, so I don't know if he still has the noids. As for the customer using additives that would swell the plunger???.....the problems were encountered on LS1's and LT1's...the only additive was Super Unleaded. Also, these problem's were not on cars we did, since we were not an NX dealer. These were cars that were brought to us with burned plugs or whatever.

First thing I would check was the installation (we always charged extra to undo someone elses screw-ups) to make sure all grounds and connections were good. After all this was confirmed, I would disconnect the lines going into the nozzle, after the solenoids and check the flow. Nine times out of 10, we would find the fuel side was either not working, or fuel was trickling out. On some, they would click fine, as long as there was no pressure behind it. As soon as the key was turned forward, nothing and the noid would get hot enough to make you pull your hand away quickly.

NXRICKY, I did try calling customer service (way back when) and they wouldn't even hear it. I was told the same thing I am seeing now...."NO, NO, NO....We are perfect and this does not happen"....Actually, this is about the same reaction we get from most nitrous companies when confronted with a problem. In any event, I was just relating something that happened to us, at our shop. I am in no way, shape or form accusing anyone of anything or calling anyone's product crap.

As for John Stewart, my first run in with him was at The Houston Autorama, many moons ago when he was pushing Top Gun. He told some awsome stories and we believed him enough to become a dealer for him. We still have a Top Gun "Nitrous With An Attitude" banner on the shop wall and we even have t-shirts....LOL!
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Magic Chicken
so how does one find out who these manufacturers are? I know the bottle makers from being a scuba diver, but the hoses, solenoids, jets, etc... google turns up the usual suspects (NX, NOS, etc...)

I hear good things about NX. If I get nitrous I will use NX parts, except for NXL
Peter Paul I think it was that make the parts, google had a lot of info
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Originally Posted by WAGE_SLAVE
I hear good things about NX. If I get nitrous I will use NX parts, except for NXL
Peter Paul I think it was that make the parts, google had a lot of info
dude, edit your post. Thats not cool to publish the info

everyone knows NX makes the best stuff, and nitrodaves and speed are the best suppliers, ie my sig. I used to be a die hard NOS fan, but their kits suck. nothing compares to NX

NXRICKY - I sent you an email about my new setup, hit me back when you get the chance
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Done, check you email whenever you can.
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NX nor any company or person is perfect. If there is a problem with a part the part is taken care of. We strive to make every nitrous user happy with out kits and products. Our warranties cover most problems with all parts. Except coil burn out or somebody misusing or abusing a part. If anyone catches flack or attitude from an NX employee that is not justified I would like to know about it. (remember we are people too and react to what is in front of us or on the phone)
As far as topgun goes. Did you get banner with the slogin "We blow your mind not your motor" got to love that on.lol
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Originally Posted by Toecutter
I knew some of you would raise the BS meter...LOL! Like I said, this was a few years ago. I haven't been thru my friend's tool box, so I don't know if he still has the noids. As for the customer using additives that would swell the plunger???.....the problems were encountered on LS1's and LT1's...the only additive was Super Unleaded. Also, these problem's were not on cars we did, since we were not an NX dealer. These were cars that were brought to us with burned plugs or whatever.

First thing I would check was the installation (we always charged extra to undo someone elses screw-ups) to make sure all grounds and connections were good. After all this was confirmed, I would disconnect the lines going into the nozzle, after the solenoids and check the flow. Nine times out of 10, we would find the fuel side was either not working, or fuel was trickling out. On some, they would click fine, as long as there was no pressure behind it. As soon as the key was turned forward, nothing and the noid would get hot enough to make you pull your hand away quickly.

NXRICKY, I did try calling customer service (way back when) and they wouldn't even hear it. I was told the same thing I am seeing now...."NO, NO, NO....We are perfect and this does not happen"....Actually, this is about the same reaction we get from most nitrous companies when confronted with a problem. In any event, I was just relating something that happened to us, at our shop. I am in no way, shape or form accusing anyone of anything or calling anyone's product crap.

As for John Stewart, my first run in with him was at The Houston Autorama, many moons ago when he was pushing Top Gun. He told some awsome stories and we believed him enough to become a dealer for him. We still have a Top Gun "Nitrous With An Attitude" banner on the shop wall and we even have t-shirts....LOL!

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"We blow your mind not you motor"
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