...and don't forget the fuel/n2o ratio in the scheme of things.(leaner=more power) 
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Dave,
I have dyno'd several NX kits, and the jetting/ rear wheel hp is always damn close. So if NX uses a smaller jet than your TNT kit, and does produce the same advertized HP, then wouldn't that mean that the NX kit is more efficient???
Less nitrous per same hp gain sounds pretty good to me.
Maybe I missed your point.
I have dyno'd several NX kits, and the jetting/ rear wheel hp is always damn close. So if NX uses a smaller jet than your TNT kit, and does produce the same advertized HP, then wouldn't that mean that the NX kit is more efficient???
Less nitrous per same hp gain sounds pretty good to me.
Maybe I missed your point.
Originally Posted by David@TNT
Well I was just curious as to the whole, we use a sq area of a .065 jet for 150hp @900psi to your .062 jet for 150hp @1050.. U do use a smaller jet but are you saying that the nitrous flow is dramatically less than our jetting @900psi?? Hp is a setting of course based on the amount of nitrous that is put in the motor but the tq #'s are a different story.. The tq would be the ablility to deliver the fuel efficiently via nozzle design, do you disagree with that opinion??
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Originally Posted by 860 Performance
Dave,
I have dyno'd several NX kits, and the jetting/ rear wheel hp is always damn close. So if NX uses a smaller jet than your TNT kit, and does produce the same advertized HP, then wouldn't that mean that the NX kit is more efficient???
Less nitrous per same hp gain sounds pretty good to me.
Maybe I missed your point.
I have dyno'd several NX kits, and the jetting/ rear wheel hp is always damn close. So if NX uses a smaller jet than your TNT kit, and does produce the same advertized HP, then wouldn't that mean that the NX kit is more efficient???
Less nitrous per same hp gain sounds pretty good to me.
Maybe I missed your point.
I also would love to see this test. I do think that if you tested many companies such as NX, TNT, NW, Zex, NOS, and Cold Fusion that it would come down to NX or TNT at the top.
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Originally Posted by TWINTURBORAMAIR
i'd like to see a test just cause im curioue....i have my personal results and thats all i really need...190rwhp on the "150shot jets" on my TNT f2 kit.
on that perticuler pull it was at 830psi....had it on for 40 minutes but it was a cold day and it was my turn on the dyno..2nd pull on the juice something happened, car was shakin a bit allmost like it was missing and only pulled a 521...didnt get a chance for a 3rd pull...puzzled me a bit also..and i wondered what a 1000psi hit would do....stay tuned, will be re-dynoing it in 2 weeks after the power tour.
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Originally Posted by Magic Chicken
If you all do this test, I'd also like to see dry vs dry and wet vs wet. Also, get the whole thing on video. 
Originally Posted by jamnut
I'm going to be doing that soon. I'm switching to a dry 1st stage with a wet 2nd stage & I plan on dynoing with each one seperate to see how they act with the same HP jetting. Then I'll dyno with both stages 
. It's gonna be about 2 month's before I get it all setup though. I will post results with dry vs wet on my car.
Just gotta get my new motor built first.
. It's gonna be about 2 month's before I get it all setup though. I will post results with dry vs wet on my car. Just gotta get my new motor built first.
Originally Posted by TWINTURBORAMAIR
i'd like to see a test just cause im curioue....i have my personal results and thats all i really need...190rwhp on the "150shot jets" on my TNT f2 kit.
As far as the test goes - doesnt matter to me other than who can make a noid that can last or a company that will answer their phone for support
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Im kinda partial to tnt and will stay regardless since I think they have a redesigned power ring.... btw is it available for sale yet? my clear lid is broken like hell because of the old ring...
If not im going to the maf kit regardless... Its upsetting to lose a lid that cost that much.
If not im going to the maf kit regardless... Its upsetting to lose a lid that cost that much.
This will be a tough thing to pull off. Who will test it? What parameters? Who will pay for the kits? Who will pay for the labor? Who will donate the car? Who will pay for the shipping? Nitrous? etc...etc...
Its not a simple matter. And to make it fair and unbiased would be tough and will take someone with some brain power and tools and some precision equipment to really say if one kit is better or not CONCLUSIVELY.
My feeling is that if you put in 150 hp jets and get 235 HP....something aint right. Thats not "free" HP your getting there. To me those jets are mislabeled and should be labeled a 235 shot. The HP and TQ you get are directly related to the actual cylinder pressure. When I design a sytem I do it in mind of controlling that cylinder pressure the way I want it. No surprises. Thats why I drill my own jets and label them on MY system to thier actual HP value as measure on a dyno with wideband.
I also dont see how you can claim that HP values will be the same but TQ values will be better due to a superior nozzle design. Dont get me wrong...TNT nozzles kick ***...no doubt. But saying you will get more TQ but HP will be the same makes no sense. If you get more TQ at 3000 rpm due to a superior nozzle design...you will get more TQ at 6000 rpm for the same reason...this results in more HP since HP is just an equation of Tq x rpm / 5252.
The only way I may see that is because of better mixture at higher rpms (piston speed) taking away the better nozzle designs advantage at lower rpms...basically evening the playing field.
I am all for testing and evaluating products. But TNT and NX are both great kits. Like i said before I dont think this arguement can be "won" between the two companies.
Its ultimately up the the consumer to evaluate which kit has the features they prefer for the value they percieve. The rest is semantics at this level. This is just my opinion.
Its not a simple matter. And to make it fair and unbiased would be tough and will take someone with some brain power and tools and some precision equipment to really say if one kit is better or not CONCLUSIVELY.
My feeling is that if you put in 150 hp jets and get 235 HP....something aint right. Thats not "free" HP your getting there. To me those jets are mislabeled and should be labeled a 235 shot. The HP and TQ you get are directly related to the actual cylinder pressure. When I design a sytem I do it in mind of controlling that cylinder pressure the way I want it. No surprises. Thats why I drill my own jets and label them on MY system to thier actual HP value as measure on a dyno with wideband.
I also dont see how you can claim that HP values will be the same but TQ values will be better due to a superior nozzle design. Dont get me wrong...TNT nozzles kick ***...no doubt. But saying you will get more TQ but HP will be the same makes no sense. If you get more TQ at 3000 rpm due to a superior nozzle design...you will get more TQ at 6000 rpm for the same reason...this results in more HP since HP is just an equation of Tq x rpm / 5252.
The only way I may see that is because of better mixture at higher rpms (piston speed) taking away the better nozzle designs advantage at lower rpms...basically evening the playing field.
I am all for testing and evaluating products. But TNT and NX are both great kits. Like i said before I dont think this arguement can be "won" between the two companies.
Its ultimately up the the consumer to evaluate which kit has the features they prefer for the value they percieve. The rest is semantics at this level. This is just my opinion.
One silly question, do NX and TNT use the same type of jets? If so, then would be easy to swap just the jets from one kit to the other and see what happens. If this **** aint squashed before summers over (mainland summer) then I might have to get me a TNT kit to mess with and do a direct dyno comparison.
Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
This will be a tough thing to pull o
ff. Who will test it? What parameters? Who will pay for the kits? Who will pay for the labor? Who will donate the car? Who will pay for the shipping? Nitrous? etc...etc...
Its not a simple matter. And to make it fair and unbiased would be tough and will take someone with some brain power and tools and some precision equipment to really say if one kit is better or not CONCLUSIVELY.
My feeling is that if you put in 150 hp jets and get 235 HP....something aint right. Thats not "free" HP your getting there. To me those jets are mislabeled and should be labeled a 235 shot. The HP and TQ you get are directly related to the actual cylinder pressure. When I design a sytem I do it in mind of controlling that cylinder pressure the way I want it. No surprises. Thats why I drill my own jets and label them on MY system to thier actual HP value as measure on a dyno with wideband.
Im well aware that its not free hp. Thats what my combo picked up on the 150 jets in my kit, thats all, i know its all relative
I also dont see how you can claim that HP values will be the same but TQ values will be better due to a superior nozzle design. Dont get me wrong...TNT nozzles kick ***...no doubt. But saying you will get more TQ but HP will be the same makes no sense. If you get more TQ at 3000 rpm due to a superior nozzle design...you will get more TQ at 6000 rpm for the same reason...this results in more HP since HP is just an equation of Tq x rpm / 5252.
The only way I may see that is because of better mixture at higher rpms (piston speed) taking away the better nozzle designs advantage at lower rpms...basically evening the playing field.
I am all for testing and evaluating products. But TNT and NX are both great kits. Like i said before I dont think this arguement can be "won" between the two companies.
Its ultimately up the the consumer to evaluate which kit has the features they prefer for the value they percieve. The rest is semantics at this level. This is just my opinion.
ff. Who will test it? What parameters? Who will pay for the kits? Who will pay for the labor? Who will donate the car? Who will pay for the shipping? Nitrous? etc...etc...
Its not a simple matter. And to make it fair and unbiased would be tough and will take someone with some brain power and tools and some precision equipment to really say if one kit is better or not CONCLUSIVELY.
My feeling is that if you put in 150 hp jets and get 235 HP....something aint right. Thats not "free" HP your getting there. To me those jets are mislabeled and should be labeled a 235 shot. The HP and TQ you get are directly related to the actual cylinder pressure. When I design a sytem I do it in mind of controlling that cylinder pressure the way I want it. No surprises. Thats why I drill my own jets and label them on MY system to thier actual HP value as measure on a dyno with wideband.
Im well aware that its not free hp. Thats what my combo picked up on the 150 jets in my kit, thats all, i know its all relative
I also dont see how you can claim that HP values will be the same but TQ values will be better due to a superior nozzle design. Dont get me wrong...TNT nozzles kick ***...no doubt. But saying you will get more TQ but HP will be the same makes no sense. If you get more TQ at 3000 rpm due to a superior nozzle design...you will get more TQ at 6000 rpm for the same reason...this results in more HP since HP is just an equation of Tq x rpm / 5252.
The only way I may see that is because of better mixture at higher rpms (piston speed) taking away the better nozzle designs advantage at lower rpms...basically evening the playing field.
I am all for testing and evaluating products. But TNT and NX are both great kits. Like i said before I dont think this arguement can be "won" between the two companies.
Its ultimately up the the consumer to evaluate which kit has the features they prefer for the value they percieve. The rest is semantics at this level. This is just my opinion.
Im well aware its not free hp, thats what the advertised 150 pills made with my combo, thats all
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Originally Posted by David@TNT
Well I was just curious as to the whole, we use a sq area of a .065 jet for 150hp @900psi to your .062 jet for 150hp @1050.. U do use a smaller jet but are you saying that the nitrous flow is dramatically less than our jetting @900psi?? Hp is a setting of course based on the amount of nitrous that is put in the motor but the tq #'s are a different story.. The tq would be the ablility to deliver the fuel efficiently via nozzle design, do you disagree with that opinion??
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Originally Posted by DOC OTIS
I saw 235 rwhp gain with a f2 kit and 150 pills at 900 psi.
As far as the test goes - doesnt matter to me other than who can make a noid that can last or a company that will answer their phone for support
As far as the test goes - doesnt matter to me other than who can make a noid that can last or a company that will answer their phone for support
Wow, guess that contradicts comments like this..
"bla bla bla, this is old and proves nothing. Same jetting, I say its 100 and it makes 100, you say your jetting is 100 and makes the 100 or at least almost makes the 100 depending on the car proves nothing."
Anyways thats alot of power from a 42n x 25f jetting @900psi..
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After readying through the posts I noticed a couple of members, made great power with a TNT kit., But also notice they were suppose to make less for the advertised jetting. Why, I have dyno our kits on stock car, mod cars, and the 150 does move around about 5 hp one way or the other but damm that was some huge jumps. I would be scared to run that jetting. Lets say you cars system can handle " O idonot know" 150hp. you put the jets in and BAMMMMM you get 225 now that is 75hp more then you calcucalted for. Hey does anyone have a droplet measuring tool lay around the house. That is the only way to tell who atomizes better.
David I look at your website were in the instruction does it say your kits are at 900 psi? Help me here I must have missed it.
Now for the testing. I personel can not see how this is going to be pulled off. Lets say you have 5 companies system, that is 5 installs, 5bottle to fill with nitrous, and lets say 4 pulls per car. I see this costing someone about 2K+ in nitrous,labor, and dyno time. Not to mention the kits. You have to compare the kits, meaning the complete kit, even down to the wiring.
Still interested.
Ricky
David I look at your website were in the instruction does it say your kits are at 900 psi? Help me here I must have missed it.
Now for the testing. I personel can not see how this is going to be pulled off. Lets say you have 5 companies system, that is 5 installs, 5bottle to fill with nitrous, and lets say 4 pulls per car. I see this costing someone about 2K+ in nitrous,labor, and dyno time. Not to mention the kits. You have to compare the kits, meaning the complete kit, even down to the wiring.
Still interested.
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
This will be a tough thing to pull off. Who will test it? What parameters? Who will pay for the kits? Who will pay for the labor? Who will donate the car? Who will pay for the shipping? Nitrous? etc...etc...
Its not a simple matter. And to make it fair and unbiased would be tough and will take someone with some brain power and tools and some precision equipment to really say if one kit is better or not CONCLUSIVELY.
My feeling is that if you put in 150 hp jets and get 235 HP....something aint right. Thats not "free" HP your getting there. To me those jets are mislabeled and should be labeled a 235 shot. The HP and TQ you get are directly related to the actual cylinder pressure. When I design a sytem I do it in mind of controlling that cylinder pressure the way I want it. No surprises. Thats why I drill my own jets and label them on MY system to thier actual HP value as measure on a dyno with wideband.
I also dont see how you can claim that HP values will be the same but TQ values will be better due to a superior nozzle design. Dont get me wrong...TNT nozzles kick ***...no doubt. But saying you will get more TQ but HP will be the same makes no sense. If you get more TQ at 3000 rpm due to a superior nozzle design...you will get more TQ at 6000 rpm for the same reason...this results in more HP since HP is just an equation of Tq x rpm / 5252.
The only way I may see that is because of better mixture at higher rpms (piston speed) taking away the better nozzle designs advantage at lower rpms...basically evening the playing field.
I am all for testing and evaluating products. But TNT and NX are both great kits. Like i said before I dont think this arguement can be "won" between the two companies.
Its ultimately up the the consumer to evaluate which kit has the features they prefer for the value they percieve. The rest is semantics at this level. This is just my opinion.
Its not a simple matter. And to make it fair and unbiased would be tough and will take someone with some brain power and tools and some precision equipment to really say if one kit is better or not CONCLUSIVELY.
My feeling is that if you put in 150 hp jets and get 235 HP....something aint right. Thats not "free" HP your getting there. To me those jets are mislabeled and should be labeled a 235 shot. The HP and TQ you get are directly related to the actual cylinder pressure. When I design a sytem I do it in mind of controlling that cylinder pressure the way I want it. No surprises. Thats why I drill my own jets and label them on MY system to thier actual HP value as measure on a dyno with wideband.
I also dont see how you can claim that HP values will be the same but TQ values will be better due to a superior nozzle design. Dont get me wrong...TNT nozzles kick ***...no doubt. But saying you will get more TQ but HP will be the same makes no sense. If you get more TQ at 3000 rpm due to a superior nozzle design...you will get more TQ at 6000 rpm for the same reason...this results in more HP since HP is just an equation of Tq x rpm / 5252.
The only way I may see that is because of better mixture at higher rpms (piston speed) taking away the better nozzle designs advantage at lower rpms...basically evening the playing field.
I am all for testing and evaluating products. But TNT and NX are both great kits. Like i said before I dont think this arguement can be "won" between the two companies.
Its ultimately up the the consumer to evaluate which kit has the features they prefer for the value they percieve. The rest is semantics at this level. This is just my opinion.
It is pretty complicated, but step 1 is getting other compaines involved to do the test.. Step 2 is work out the testing details.. So lets not get ahead of ourselfs..