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Old 11-16-2005, 09:45 AM
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with the combo you are running a very rich tune up to say the least. 4.2 Nitrous to fuel ratio.. The combo for 100 should be 35/20. Like I said earlier if you are happy let it ride...
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If your comfortable and happy with it then just let it ride, even if it is a little too rich for most people. And Robert, he's got the 100hp jets in it instead of the 150hp. So he's making 89 more hp with it running way rich and with timing unecessarily pulled out of it. With the 35/20 jets in it and the timing put back in, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the hp jump up to over 100hp gained.
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Ricky suggested using The #35 N20 (which I am already) and the #20 Fuel Jet to get to the best A/F. I am LOOKING at the Jet Pack that came with the dual nozzle Kit. There is no #20 Fuel Jet.

I am looking at the white sticker that is on the pack of Jets that came with my Kit and on that sticker it says:

"20215 G.T. DUAL NOZZLE 100-300"


HP N20 FUEL

100 35 18

150 41 22

200 52 33


Should I get a few #20 Jets for each side of the Fuel, to replace the #22 jets have in there now?

Or should I throw in the #18 Jets in there. I guess if I had #20 jets that would be a middle ground on the fuel inbetween the 18 and 22 that came with my system.

Also, I read Robert's reply. I am shooting for 100 shot, not 150. I was just using the next larger size fuel jet whcih happens to be the 150HP Fuel Jet.

I originally did this because using the same combo I have in there now I ran 11.9, but them I blew my motor shortly after, so maybe that had a wierd affect on the 11.9 A/F I was getting with this combo of jets.


Thanks to all who have helped me on my nitrous quest. I know I am a Pain in The ***!

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Gary, yea you have that mondo converter, that does explain some. also, like you said upping your bottle press will lean it out a tad. Imo, going with the 20 jets even without the dyno would be rec, a good comprimise for now. you going to be able to get to the strip again this year? Good luck on the 10's, they are at hand.
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Thanks Robert. I will have to see about getting some 20# Jets. I don't have that came with my kit as I said above.

My buddy suggested maybe upping one of my NX Nitrous Jets in JUST ONE SIDE of my Dual Nozzle Kit???

So Putting a 150 shot NX Jet in there, which in my case is a #41 to replace the #35 N2O jet that is in there now.

Or my thought was the same as above, but doing it to the FUEL JET on One side of my Dual nozzle, replace the Fuel Jets from my current #22 Fuel Jet and change it to the lower #18 100 shot, (again just on one side).

What do ya think?
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Originally Posted by 2001 Red Coupe Bandit
Ricky suggested using The #35 N20 (which I am already) and the #20 Fuel Jet to get to the best A/F. I am LOOKING at the Jet Pack that came with the dual nozzle Kit. There is no #20 Fuel Jet.

I am looking at the white sticker that is on the pack of Jets that came with my Kit and on that sticker it says:

"20215 G.T. DUAL NOZZLE 100-300"


HP N20 FUEL

100 35 18

150 41 22

200 52 33


Should I get a few #20 Jets for each side of the Fuel, to replace the #22 jets have in there now?

Or should I throw in the #18 Jets in there. I guess if I had #20 jets that would be a middle ground on the fuel inbetween the 18 and 22 that came with my system.

Also, I read Robert's reply. I am shooting for 100 shot, not 150. I was just using the next larger size fuel jet whcih happens to be the 150HP Fuel Jet.

I originally did this because using the same combo I have in there now I ran 11.9, but them I blew my motor shortly after, so maybe that had a wierd affect on the 11.9 A/F I was getting with this combo of jets.


Thanks to all who have helped me on my nitrous quest. I know I am a Pain in The ***!
The jet card is correct if all is perfect in the world,, since you are tuning the car, make small changes and see what happens... I always start small and work your way up.. Change one fuel jet should be fine that is just taking even smaller step which can be a good thing...
And there is NO perfect air fuel for every car jsut your car and your comfort level.. 11.9 should have nothing to do with the old engine going by by, unless you lugged it, and go into some detenation. 150 shot or even 200 are done on bone stock cars all day, with no problems... Again back to the comfort level, so start small take baby steps and your end results, will be lots of power, lots of fun, and peices of mind...

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Originally Posted by 2001 Red Coupe Bandit
Thanks Robert. I will have to see about getting some 20# Jets. I don't have that came with my kit as I said above.

My buddy suggested maybe upping one of my NX Nitrous Jets in JUST ONE SIDE of my Dual Nozzle Kit???

So Putting a 150 shot NX Jet in there, which in my case is a #41 to replace the #35 N2O jet that is in there now.

Or my thought was the same as above, but doing it to the FUEL JET on One side of my Dual nozzle, replace the Fuel Jets from my current #22 Fuel Jet and change it to the lower #18 100 shot, (again just on one side).

What do ya think?
It all depends on what final power you want, if its 150 or 100 that will tell you which jet to change.
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Originally Posted by XTrooper
Outstanding numbers, amigo! Congratulations!

Your A/F ratio is too fat. Aim for 12.0 (+/- 1).

Your timing is fine. As you said, if you lost only ~4 hp, why worry about it.
it may make alittle more power but you will lose torque across the curve. torque is what wins races. Hp sales parts.
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Originally Posted by 2001 Red Coupe Bandit
Ricky suggested using The #35 N20 (which I am already) and the #20 Fuel Jet to get to the best A/F. I am LOOKING at the Jet Pack that came with the dual nozzle Kit. There is no #20 Fuel Jet.

I am looking at the white sticker that is on the pack of Jets that came with my Kit and on that sticker it says:

"20215 G.T. DUAL NOZZLE 100-300"


HP N20 FUEL

100 35 18

150 41 22

200 52 33


Should I get a few #20 Jets for each side of the Fuel, to replace the #22 jets have in there now?

Or should I throw in the #18 Jets in there. I guess if I had #20 jets that would be a middle ground on the fuel inbetween the 18 and 22 that came with my system.

Also, I read Robert's reply. I am shooting for 100 shot, not 150. I was just using the next larger size fuel jet whcih happens to be the 150HP Fuel Jet.

I originally did this because using the same combo I have in there now I ran 11.9, but them I blew my motor shortly after, so maybe that had a wierd affect on the 11.9 A/F I was getting with this combo of jets.


Thanks to all who have helped me on my nitrous quest. I know I am a Pain in The ***!

What exactly failed on the motor? Im going to say you broke a ringland which is pretty common with stock rings on the pistons. 11.9 isnt unsafe on the nitrous but a car will make more torque with a fatter A/F

My dry kit runs 10.5:1 A/F ratio. With 175 pills in it (i have a converter Mustang kit on my car that uses my aeromotive regualtor to spike the fuel pressure for my setup on my LS1) my car made 396rhwp on motor with 386 on torque with my nitrous converter. On the Dope it made 630+ rwhp and 890rwtq at these a/f ratios. All on a stock longblock with low tension rings, ARP head studs, and ARP rod bolts. I dont run Tr6 plugs either.

A Nitrous tuneup consists, of timing control, cold copper plugs, and precise A/F metering.
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Originally Posted by V6 Bird
What exactly failed on the motor? Im going to say you broke a ringland which is pretty common with stock rings on the pistons. 11.9 isnt unsafe on the nitrous but a car will make more torque with a fatter A/F

My dry kit runs 10.5:1 A/F ratio. With 175 pills in it (i have a converter Mustang kit on my car that uses my aeromotive regualtor to spike the fuel pressure for my setup on my LS1) my car made 396rhwp on motor with 386 on torque with my nitrous converter. On the Dope it made 630+ rwhp and 890rwtq at these a/f ratios. All on a stock longblock with low tension rings, ARP head studs, and ARP rod bolts. I dont run Tr6 plugs either.

A Nitrous tuneup consists, of timing control, cold copper plugs, and precise A/F metering.
Heheheheheheh...890lb ft of torque, that's a net gain of 504 on the torque. NX Dave, how's that for the wet has more torque argument, and that's on a 175 dry shot, hehehehehehehe... The more I start watching the torque numbers, the more I see a variance wet and dry, so, I may be changing my view on wet has more torque.

By the way V6 Bird, that's one hella set-up ya got their, and I may be talking to ya about your fuel system set-up, however, I have something planned to try first.
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yes v6 bird can make some badass dry kits and he will be doing mine yet that torque is going through a stalled auto
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yes v6 bird can make some badass dry kits and he will be doing mine yet that torque is going through a stalled auto
That explains the torque SPIKE.
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That's an incredible gain V6 Bird. What size jet did you have in it?
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Ok enough already about the V-6 Birds, lets get back to talking about ME.
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Originally Posted by 2001 Red Coupe Bandit
Ok enough already about the V-6 Birds, lets get back to talking about ME.
Bandit, the reason we were talking about V6 Birds torque, is the fact, we were wondering how you were going to keep your car, because we signed you guys up for Pinks.
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