another dual stage set up
Originally Posted by mrr23
yes, the 00 formula. i am thinking about upgrading to the stock 28# injectors. a/f ratio was at 11:1 ish who knows. most likely the reason why some companies are going the rwhp rating now.
the wife's 150 motor rated ny-trex kit put 110 rwhp .067/.032 jets
the wife's 150 motor rated ny-trex kit put 110 rwhp .067/.032 jets
they are nx jets in the ny-trex kits. ny-trex rates at motor not at wheels. does the nx kits still make the same 150 rwhp when you have heads, cam, bolts ons when using same jets? or is it only if it's a stock car? most kits, that i know of, rate theirs using stock motors.
i went back and looked at the jets i have in her car. they are .062/.033. ny-trex rates that at 150 motor hp. now, doing the wonderful 20% loss ish, that makes it about 120 rwhp. it put 110 rwhp. funny how two companies rate the same basic jet scenario differently. ny-trex looks for a 11:1 ratio on their jetting. which is where mine was.
now, i look at my compucar kit on the 00 formula. again, they rated the .063/.033 at 150 motor hp.
back on 7/17/2004 i was running 200 motor rated compucar. .076/.046 jets.
NA 291.35
200 n2o 426.57
gain of 135.22 only mod was a SLP airlid. cutout closed.
same day, i did it with open cutout as well.
NA cutout 303.42
200 n2o cutout open 442.05
gain of 138.63 rwhp.
so, what makes the NX, TNT, etc.. .that rate at rwhp get more than the NOS, NY-TREX, Compucar, etc... that rate the same jet sizing at motor?
back on 7/17/2004 i was running 200 motor rated compucar. .076/.046 jets.
NA 291.35
200 n2o 426.57
gain of 135.22 only mod was a SLP airlid. cutout closed.
same day, i did it with open cutout as well.
NA cutout 303.42
200 n2o cutout open 442.05
gain of 138.63 rwhp.
so, what makes the NX, TNT, etc.. .that rate at rwhp get more than the NOS, NY-TREX, Compucar, etc... that rate the same jet sizing at motor?
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You put the 62 33 combo in an NX system single nozzle, you will yeild 150 hp or darn close.. Not sure why they are not making the power. We do.. Nozzle design I am betting has something to do with it.
Ricky
Ricky
so, what size orifice is in your nozzles? the ny-trex is .110 on both fuel and n2o. not sure on the compucar nozzle. it's pretty basic design on it though. i'd be willing to put that to the test. one way to find out. how much for one of your nozzles? i'll front the dyno time to find out.
ny-trex nozzle
what about nozzle location?
ny-trex nozzle
what about nozzle location?
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A little more than just a nozzle you would have to do the whole system.. The nozzle is a large part of it, and if you wanted to do a comparison , I will sale you the nozzle at 40.00... Let me know.. And the Shark is .093 both side which only comes into play if you are maxing a nozzle out..
Ricky
Ricky
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Verdad Gallardo where do i send the money? and is that shipped? also, we'll need to discuss test parameters. that way we are on the same page. reps are at stake here. i want it to be as fair as possible for both companies.
while on the subject of the whole system, the ny-trex solenoids have a .081" orifice there as well. 4an feel line to noids. then 3an out of noids to nozzle. the rest of the 'whole' system would be just the noids, right? lines are lines. well, we could get into hi flow valves on the bottles. if that's what's supplied in standard run of the mill kits.
if the nozzle works out, then we'll discuss noids at that point.
while on the subject of the whole system, the ny-trex solenoids have a .081" orifice there as well. 4an feel line to noids. then 3an out of noids to nozzle. the rest of the 'whole' system would be just the noids, right? lines are lines. well, we could get into hi flow valves on the bottles. if that's what's supplied in standard run of the mill kits.
if the nozzle works out, then we'll discuss noids at that point.
The Nx and TNT nozles flow well 
Well if you read the post TNT vs NX, you would think that nozzle design really plays no role. You jet it for 150rwhp period, end of story. some companys use a slightly diff ratio of fuel to n2o but from all the arguments, seems if you want 150rwhp from what ever company just jet it that way, and you'll have exactly the same torque.
Robert
Robert
well, you would think that. apparently, i'm only getting 110 out of 150 rwhp on the .062/.033 jets i use in the wife's car. even on the black 00 formula, when it was set at 150 .062/.033 i only got 128.74.
this is when i first got the car. no mods done at all.
NA run 276.62
150 n2o 405.36
this is when i first got the car. no mods done at all.
NA run 276.62
150 n2o 405.36
Originally Posted by mrr23
well, you would think that. apparently, i'm only getting 110 out of 150 rwhp on the .062/.033 jets i use in the wife's car. even on the black 00 formula, when it was set at 150 .062/.033 i only got 128.74.
this is when i first got the car. no mods done at all.
NA run 276.62
150 n2o 405.36
this is when i first got the car. no mods done at all.
NA run 276.62
150 n2o 405.36
Robert
Originally Posted by Robert56
Regardless of the claims, and every company has a variation to numbers, jetting on the dyno is the only way to Know for sure. Your running a 110rwhp shot, and a 129rwhp shot respectively. Now some fine tuning with a/f and the timing may net a little more. However, the vast majority of users state shot size by dyno numbers, cause they tell the truth. Those kits will put out true 150rwhp shots, just jet them that way. Your kit is rating at the crank, and if you take the standard 15% drivetrain lose you get, 127.5rwhp, so close to their rating, at least one car anyway. Jet them bad boys up, no need for new injectors, you are not running out of injector, imo.
Robert
Robert
Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Power made is in direct relation to nitrous flow. Since he is making LESS power than rated with NX jets on two cars, the nozzles being used flow less than an NX nozzle. End of story.
Robert
Originally Posted by Robert56
Regardless of the claims, and every company has a variation to numbers, jetting on the dyno is the only way to Know for sure. Your running a 110rwhp shot, and a 129rwhp shot respectively. Now some fine tuning with a/f and the timing may net a little more. However, the vast majority of users state shot size by dyno numbers, cause they tell the truth. Those kits will put out true 150rwhp shots, just jet them that way. Your kit is rating at the crank, and if you take the standard 15% drivetrain lose you get, 127.5rwhp, so close to their rating, at least one car anyway. Jet them bad boys up, no need for new injectors, you are not running out of injector, imo.
Robert
Robert
after talking with nxricky, i'm even more not worried about fuel needs with my system.
all i really care about is track times.
Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Power made is in direct relation to nitrous flow. Since he is making LESS power than rated with NX jets on two cars, the nozzles being used flow less than an NX nozzle. End of story.
NX shark nozzle has .093 orifice on both sides
ny-trex nozzle has .110 orifice on both sides
where would the flow restriction be in the ny-trex nozzle? could be in design. we'll see come january. personally, i kinda agree with nxricky. it's the small solenoid that's used in both compucar and ny-trex. then again, the ny-trex has a .081 orifice in it and the pintle valve opens off the seat way higher than a NOS solenoid. ken at ny-trex showed me both.
one way, or another, i'll get some actual data on the kit differences.
Originally Posted by NXRICKY
You put the 62 33 combo in an NX system single nozzle, you will yeild 150 hp or darn close.. Not sure why they are not making the power. We do.. Nozzle design I am betting has something to do with it.
Ricky
Ricky
I have tested both nozzles back to back. On a 100 shot the ny-trex nozzle made 5hp more than the nx, but on a 200 shot the nx made 10hp more. On the 100 shot both made more hp than advertised and on the 200 both made less hp than advertised.