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Originally Posted by NitrousDirect
JEEZE i go to the movies and come back to this!!
LOL i think all in all we are a pretty big familly here all pasionate about the same thing performance, fun, and Nitrous!
Dave and I, although contrary to popular belief and some random drunken posts get along well and even talk. There's plenty of business to go around and whether it's he or I we've got ya covered.
Robert, I felt is very passionate about nitrous, knows his stuff, and is good at what he does! I see no conflict as it's 2 totally different things and moding has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with representing a company. Modding is to keep people like Dave and I in line and put us in the corner when we are bad! haha And to make sure only vendors are posting stuff for sale etc..
As for him using status? Naa his status is his knowledge, length of time being around, quality of posts, and true interest in the industry.
And dave.. just let me know if you catch him goofing off!!!
LOL i think all in all we are a pretty big familly here all pasionate about the same thing performance, fun, and Nitrous!
Dave and I, although contrary to popular belief and some random drunken posts get along well and even talk. There's plenty of business to go around and whether it's he or I we've got ya covered.
Robert, I felt is very passionate about nitrous, knows his stuff, and is good at what he does! I see no conflict as it's 2 totally different things and moding has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with representing a company. Modding is to keep people like Dave and I in line and put us in the corner when we are bad! haha And to make sure only vendors are posting stuff for sale etc..
As for him using status? Naa his status is his knowledge, length of time being around, quality of posts, and true interest in the industry.
And dave.. just let me know if you catch him goofing off!!!
Gish,
I wish I had time to take in a movie.
Dave
Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
''Well, on the NOS thing, I have a good answer, the 5177 being one of the all time best kits, there is now an alternative, a direct competitor that offers a similar product of quality and afforability with excellant web/tech support.''
Robert,
Thank you but You just now relized that we did this.
No really we have been building a knock off kit of the 5177 kit for a while now. I just have not posted it. There are a few people here on this board that have bought it from me. You just never asked and I do not like dual solenoids so I never offered unless it was asked for.LOL
Dave
Robert,
Thank you but You just now relized that we did this.
No really we have been building a knock off kit of the 5177 kit for a while now. I just have not posted it. There are a few people here on this board that have bought it from me. You just never asked and I do not like dual solenoids so I never offered unless it was asked for.LOL
Dave
We are dropping the redundant noids and replacing with a 400hp noid, unless specified dual noids. It will be up on the web soon.
Actually, when guys were wanting a 5177, I always stated that you carried it, but for some reason they always came away with a wet kit.
Robert
LOL,
You gotta love those wet kits... You will to one day.haha
Cool so basically like the Dynotune kit and our kit that has the 300hp solenoid. But the average end user will never use more than the typical 100-150 dry so in all reality thats more solenoid than needed. But hey we are MEN here and bigger is better right.LOL
YOu will be amazed to see some of the new products we are about to drop out for everyone to see. But I think I am going to wait to post them until our new website is finished.
Dave
You gotta love those wet kits... You will to one day.haha
Cool so basically like the Dynotune kit and our kit that has the 300hp solenoid. But the average end user will never use more than the typical 100-150 dry so in all reality thats more solenoid than needed. But hey we are MEN here and bigger is better right.LOL
YOu will be amazed to see some of the new products we are about to drop out for everyone to see. But I think I am going to wait to post them until our new website is finished.
Dave
Wow. As a non-sponsor and non-moderator, let me ask this......WTF are we worried about? Seriously, I just dont get it. There is all this paranoia about Robert having the ability to Jedi-mind **** someone into buying his product? I have seen better arguements in threads like "quickest stock internals." I have been in this section since I registered, or before. I have seen every sponsor "push" their product, and very rarely has any of them bashed an opposing sponsor. There are always exceptions to a rule, thats why we have limits/thresholds/ and ammendments etc. Robert is obviously in the exception group and if it weren't allowed, I am sure he wouldn't hold dual status.
Now, if he stops answering general tech questions and begins cramming his product, I'll let him know for sure.
Maybe we need a "Moderator of Dual Status Mod/Sponsors" title?
Now, if he stops answering general tech questions and begins cramming his product, I'll let him know for sure.
Maybe we need a "Moderator of Dual Status Mod/Sponsors" title?
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From: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Hmm...
To be honest I see where other sponsers are coming from. I sell ND products(and you guys have beat me for it) and I spec'd out 5177 knock off kits we just sold here in the NW. I am also re spec'ing them for my customers. I have used all of them and ND is a fairly new comapny much like NX was years ago when I started using them.
I also make it a point not to be in a controling interest in a area I sell to. It does tend to set a bad impression to new people. For example I help set up a racing series here in the Pacific Northwest. Now I sponser it through the company so I refuse to hold an office as I felt there would be a "Viewable" conflict of interest. Not good for the company or the series.
Robert is a good guy and I am sure he can do both jobs at the same time just like Kurtis Tamez did years ago over on CZ28.com.
On the other side there may be a "Viewable" conflict of interest. I do not want to see Robert, Scott or the N2O section take any shots over this and I hope they do not
BTW guys It is hard for me to sell your stuff to my Customers to when you are taking shots at me for selling ND I am currently pimping your stuff for areas ND does not cover and I had a customer just today ask me "Why are you wanting me to buy from Dave when he is a dick to you"
Think about it
WHILE we are at it...both side SHOULD hold back in public. BOTH sides take hits over it
To be honest I see where other sponsers are coming from. I sell ND products(and you guys have beat me for it) and I spec'd out 5177 knock off kits we just sold here in the NW. I am also re spec'ing them for my customers. I have used all of them and ND is a fairly new comapny much like NX was years ago when I started using them.
I also make it a point not to be in a controling interest in a area I sell to. It does tend to set a bad impression to new people. For example I help set up a racing series here in the Pacific Northwest. Now I sponser it through the company so I refuse to hold an office as I felt there would be a "Viewable" conflict of interest. Not good for the company or the series.
Robert is a good guy and I am sure he can do both jobs at the same time just like Kurtis Tamez did years ago over on CZ28.com.
On the other side there may be a "Viewable" conflict of interest. I do not want to see Robert, Scott or the N2O section take any shots over this and I hope they do not
BTW guys It is hard for me to sell your stuff to my Customers to when you are taking shots at me for selling ND
I am currently pimping your stuff for areas ND does not cover and I had a customer just today ask me "Why are you wanting me to buy from Dave when he is a dick to you"Think about it
WHILE we are at it...both side SHOULD hold back in public. BOTH sides take hits over it
Guys!!! Relax.. i don't think it's the issue that people are making it to be.. chill, relax, be happy.. if it's ever a problem i'm sure it will be addressed.. but it's not. Thanks and hae a great day, and don't forget to spray! 
Twofast4lv,
Can you please tell me how I have been a dick to you. I do not even know who you are. I have recently read several of your post where you have made sure to post that you are a cold fusion dealer.. That should not mean I am a dick to you because I do not care for the product you sell.....
Dave
Can you please tell me how I have been a dick to you. I do not even know who you are. I have recently read several of your post where you have made sure to post that you are a cold fusion dealer.. That should not mean I am a dick to you because I do not care for the product you sell.....
Dave
as i see it there are two good nitrous suppliers on this forum. thats great! competitiveness drives down the cost and helps the buyers. i just got into nitrous and i went with dave after two phone calls i placed my order for nitrous accessories and he was very helpful and knowledgeable.
keep up the good work guys.
justin
keep up the good work guys.
justin
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From: East Side Performance! mASShole
The N2O section has so many vendors and sponsors, its like a pickle fest!!! all guys at one party.
i Am friends with Vinny, and have Bought stuff from him, Im Friends with Dean, and bought stuff from him, I have spoken to Dave and bought stuff from him, the other guys i dont know at all, but if they offered somthing i was interested in, i would buy it
Keep in mind, i run NOS N2O kit on my car that I bought from East Side. lol
diferent guys offer different products, all have good stuff, and bad stuff.
I dont think its a big deal with Rob doing both. conflict of interest yes, but i think most people can see the light and will buy what they want from who they want depending on price, quality servise ect.
Now Vinny, stop whinning and go riding with us!!!!!
i Am friends with Vinny, and have Bought stuff from him, Im Friends with Dean, and bought stuff from him, I have spoken to Dave and bought stuff from him, the other guys i dont know at all, but if they offered somthing i was interested in, i would buy it
Keep in mind, i run NOS N2O kit on my car that I bought from East Side. lol
diferent guys offer different products, all have good stuff, and bad stuff.
I dont think its a big deal with Rob doing both. conflict of interest yes, but i think most people can see the light and will buy what they want from who they want depending on price, quality servise ect.
Now Vinny, stop whinning and go riding with us!!!!!
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From: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
No Bickering here and I re-read this three time as some seem confused.
Lets lay it out
I feel Confident Robert can do both Jobs with out a conflict of interest.
BUT I also completely under stand Why this thread was started.
Dave and I have resolved this area.
I appoligize if it was taken wrong but this is the public image that comes out for some people when both sides are debated so heatedly
Lets lay it out
I feel Confident Robert can do both Jobs with out a conflict of interest.
BUT I also completely under stand Why this thread was started.
Dave and I have resolved this area.
I appoligize if it was taken wrong but this is the public image that comes out for some people when both sides are debated so heatedly
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Originally Posted by Ed Blown Vert
Even though he may not be biased. Its all about perception.
Don't get me wrong, Robert and I get along 99% of the time and on a rare occasion we will be on opposite sides of a debate. So I personally don't think he would abuse his newfound status. However I can see where Vinny, or any other sponsor, is coming from.
I guess only time will tell if this situation will work or not.
Originally Posted by NXRICKY
I'm glad to know that Robert represents a product and company. I'll wait for a problem before condimnation as far as Robert goes.
Dave...the more good press you get the more people will try to dump on you. There are some "dicks" lurking around. You are going to have to work much harder to reach that status. LOL. Frankly to anyone in business, you better have some good damn customer service to beat Dave at this game.
Wow. What a read this is becoming.
Perception? I deal with this on a daily basis. IMHO perception is an often abused word. Ppl throw it around in an attempt to beat around the bush or sugar coat wtf they are trying to say. Lets call it like it is, Robert is a sponsor selling a product, and he is a moderator giving technical advice and assistance. There is nothing else to it. The "perception" he may try to unduely influence a potential customer to buy only what he sells has not been established, nor from other vendors or moderators. The day Robert does bash a product that he does not carry, there still will not be a "perception" it will be in black and white!
Obviously some have issues with Roberts status and quite frankly I find it embarrassing to Robert, and everyone else this post was even started in a public access section. If YOU feel (perceive) there is an issue needing addressed take this **** to the Admin/Owners who make the rules, in here all your doing is stirring a shitpot. Without this thread, I doubt I would ever have noticed Roberts duality, nor would many many others. My PERCEPTION is someone is a little nervous that Robert, with all his technical expertise, time and willingness to share, is now competition and that someone feels threatened by his dual status. Lock this thread, delete it would be prefered and take this **** up with the Admin/Owner please.
FWIW, I have dealt with Dean, Dave and someone (forgot who its been a long time) from CF, I run a NOS dry currently and will be adding more later, but the possibility of it being from the originator of this thread is nil!
Thanks for bringing to light what should have stayed in the dark until it was an issue. True pro's!
Charlie
Perception? I deal with this on a daily basis. IMHO perception is an often abused word. Ppl throw it around in an attempt to beat around the bush or sugar coat wtf they are trying to say. Lets call it like it is, Robert is a sponsor selling a product, and he is a moderator giving technical advice and assistance. There is nothing else to it. The "perception" he may try to unduely influence a potential customer to buy only what he sells has not been established, nor from other vendors or moderators. The day Robert does bash a product that he does not carry, there still will not be a "perception" it will be in black and white!
Obviously some have issues with Roberts status and quite frankly I find it embarrassing to Robert, and everyone else this post was even started in a public access section. If YOU feel (perceive) there is an issue needing addressed take this **** to the Admin/Owners who make the rules, in here all your doing is stirring a shitpot. Without this thread, I doubt I would ever have noticed Roberts duality, nor would many many others. My PERCEPTION is someone is a little nervous that Robert, with all his technical expertise, time and willingness to share, is now competition and that someone feels threatened by his dual status. Lock this thread, delete it would be prefered and take this **** up with the Admin/Owner please.
FWIW, I have dealt with Dean, Dave and someone (forgot who its been a long time) from CF, I run a NOS dry currently and will be adding more later, but the possibility of it being from the originator of this thread is nil!
Thanks for bringing to light what should have stayed in the dark until it was an issue. True pro's!
Charlie
Originally Posted by CAT3
Wow. What a read this is becoming.
Perception? I deal with this on a daily basis. IMHO perception is an often abused word. Ppl throw it around in an attempt to beat around the bush or sugar coat wtf they are trying to say. Lets call it like it is, Robert is a sponsor selling a product, and he is a moderator giving technical advice and assistance. There is nothing else to it. The "perception" he may try to unduely influence a potential customer to buy only what he sells has not been established, nor from other vendors or moderators. The day Robert does bash a product that he does not carry, there still will not be a "perception" it will be in black and white!
Obviously some have issues with Roberts status and quite frankly I find it embarrassing to Robert, and everyone else this post was even started in a public access section. If YOU feel (perceive) there is an issue needing addressed take this **** to the Admin/Owners who make the rules, in here all your doing is stirring a shitpot. Without this thread, I doubt I would ever have noticed Roberts duality, nor would many many others. My PERCEPTION is someone is a little nervous that Robert, with all his technical expertise, time and willingness to share, is now competition and that someone feels threatened by his dual status. Lock this thread, delete it would be prefered and take this **** up with the Admin/Owner please.
FWIW, I have dealt with Dean, Dave and someone (forgot who its been a long time) from CF, I run a NOS dry currently and will be adding more later, but the possibility of it being from the originator of this thread is nil!
Thanks for bringing to light what should have stayed in the dark until it was an issue. True pro's!
Charlie
Perception? I deal with this on a daily basis. IMHO perception is an often abused word. Ppl throw it around in an attempt to beat around the bush or sugar coat wtf they are trying to say. Lets call it like it is, Robert is a sponsor selling a product, and he is a moderator giving technical advice and assistance. There is nothing else to it. The "perception" he may try to unduely influence a potential customer to buy only what he sells has not been established, nor from other vendors or moderators. The day Robert does bash a product that he does not carry, there still will not be a "perception" it will be in black and white!
Obviously some have issues with Roberts status and quite frankly I find it embarrassing to Robert, and everyone else this post was even started in a public access section. If YOU feel (perceive) there is an issue needing addressed take this **** to the Admin/Owners who make the rules, in here all your doing is stirring a shitpot. Without this thread, I doubt I would ever have noticed Roberts duality, nor would many many others. My PERCEPTION is someone is a little nervous that Robert, with all his technical expertise, time and willingness to share, is now competition and that someone feels threatened by his dual status. Lock this thread, delete it would be prefered and take this **** up with the Admin/Owner please.
FWIW, I have dealt with Dean, Dave and someone (forgot who its been a long time) from CF, I run a NOS dry currently and will be adding more later, but the possibility of it being from the originator of this thread is nil!
Thanks for bringing to light what should have stayed in the dark until it was an issue. True pro's!
Charlie
Cat3,
This is not a one vendor vs another post or a whos better than the other post, its simply a discussion I don't think anyone is in a heated arguement here. Nor is there any bashing going on so I'm not sure why you would want to lock it down?
You have been here a long time with lots of posts, so I sure value and welcome you thoughts and opinions.
Vinny
Charlie..I agree. But dont be too hard on Vinny. When you notice something like this the first thing would tend to do is make a post. Im sure he also wanted others input. I personally think a PM should have gone to Robert and then if there is still issue...to an admin. Since this is out in the open and most sides have been represent here. I want to lock this one down. Not that there has been a real problem with the thread...I just think it has served its purpose and keeping it open would not be a benifit to anyone. If any of you guys think it should not be locked please PM me.
If any of you guys have a problem with Roberts dual status please PM an admin with your concerns. As far as I am concerned this is a dead issue unless the admins say otherwise. So to coninue to debate here will serve no purpose but to create a greater divide and bad blood down the road. Take it up with the Admins. To me its a black and white issue.
Back to your regularly scheduled tech forum please
If any of you guys have a problem with Roberts dual status please PM an admin with your concerns. As far as I am concerned this is a dead issue unless the admins say otherwise. So to coninue to debate here will serve no purpose but to create a greater divide and bad blood down the road. Take it up with the Admins. To me its a black and white issue.
Back to your regularly scheduled tech forum please
Last edited by 383LQ4SS; Dec 1, 2005 at 01:00 PM.