Moderators / Sponsors
Moderators / Sponsors Robert,
I see you are working for Nitrous Direct now. That means you are both a site sponsor and a site moderator. I see a conflict of interest here.
What are your thoughts?
Vinny
I see you are working for Nitrous Direct now. That means you are both a site sponsor and a site moderator. I see a conflict of interest here.
What are your thoughts?
Vinny
Nope, checked with the owners of the site, it's permisable. Dual status can't be had if your the owner of the company though. Actually there is more than a few guys with dual staus, but there title sig somewhat hides it. Look for a green web name, which is a moderator, then look for a white checked box, which is a sponsor. I wanted my title sig to state mod/sponsor, whereas some may chose a title sig name like Director of something. I will still try to be straight down the line.
Robert
Robert
Hmm sounds a little whiney to me.. How does thise effect you? You don't even sell nitrous kits so what's your issue? Someone put you up to whining huh... hmm who could it be....who...could...it be.....
Robert is an ethical mature and level headed guy, being a moderator and supplying nitrous products are 2 different duties which have no ties.
Robert is an ethical mature and level headed guy, being a moderator and supplying nitrous products are 2 different duties which have no ties.
Last edited by NitrousDirect; Nov 30, 2005 at 06:11 PM.
Vinny good eye. I could see a conflict of some sorts. It really depends on the person I guess. It is common that some site mods work for site sponsors though...The only bad thing is that in some cases it may give the perception to a newby looking for good information that the moderator/sponsor is a good source for the right information when in some cases thay are not.
On the other hand It is really no different than a moderator that favors another shop and sends everyone there.
I am in no way saying that this is one of those cases. Im just saying that to a newby it may give a sence of creditabilty to some one that in some cases are misleading or wrong.But in many cases thats no different than the company that is imploying them.
I like Robert, Him and I disagree on many things but we agree on some also.He does have Heart....Congrates to Scott for gettings some help.
I personally answer all of our tech emails and PMs. I wish I could find someone to help but I am very picky and I worry about the customer getting the accurate information. After we get through the hollidays we will be hiring more help again and with Gods help I will find that right person for me to train to help with tech and do things the way I want them done. This way I do not have to work until 12-2 am on many many many nights...
Dave
On the other hand It is really no different than a moderator that favors another shop and sends everyone there.
I am in no way saying that this is one of those cases. Im just saying that to a newby it may give a sence of creditabilty to some one that in some cases are misleading or wrong.But in many cases thats no different than the company that is imploying them.
I like Robert, Him and I disagree on many things but we agree on some also.He does have Heart....Congrates to Scott for gettings some help.
I personally answer all of our tech emails and PMs. I wish I could find someone to help but I am very picky and I worry about the customer getting the accurate information. After we get through the hollidays we will be hiring more help again and with Gods help I will find that right person for me to train to help with tech and do things the way I want them done. This way I do not have to work until 12-2 am on many many many nights...
Dave
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Scott, nobody asked me to post this, and if you think Dave did your wrong. I've never seen you or Dave hold back from saying anything themselves.
Moderators should be an independant person who keeps things legit on these boards. If they have any vested interest in one sponsor over an other then how could they possibly keep things fair? For example when Camaro_ss_81 asked about cold fusion kits, Robert replied with
"Look for some new kits from Nitrous Direct, very high quality and high end noids in new kit(s). Nitrous Direct does have some low cost alternatives (read smaller noids) for those on a budget. "
Now that is fair to HSW who also sells CF product? Dosen't seem straight down the lne to me.
As a general user on the board people can write that they like one mfg over another or one vendor over another, but I feel moderators should stay more neutral and not try to sway a potential buyer to buy his product because he might make some money.
Thats why I posted this thread so we can discuss these ideas.
Moderators should be an independant person who keeps things legit on these boards. If they have any vested interest in one sponsor over an other then how could they possibly keep things fair? For example when Camaro_ss_81 asked about cold fusion kits, Robert replied with
"Look for some new kits from Nitrous Direct, very high quality and high end noids in new kit(s). Nitrous Direct does have some low cost alternatives (read smaller noids) for those on a budget. "
Now that is fair to HSW who also sells CF product? Dosen't seem straight down the lne to me.
As a general user on the board people can write that they like one mfg over another or one vendor over another, but I feel moderators should stay more neutral and not try to sway a potential buyer to buy his product because he might make some money.
Thats why I posted this thread so we can discuss these ideas.
Originally Posted by NitrousDirect
Hmm sounds a little whiney to me.. How does thise effect you? You don't even sell nitrous kits so what's your issue? Someone put you up to whining huh... hmm who could it be....who...could...it be.....
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Originally Posted by 860 Performance
Scott, nobody asked me to post this, and if you think Dave did your wrong. I've never seen you or Dave hold back from saying anything themselves.
Moderators should be an independant person who keeps things legit on these boards. If they have any vested interest in one sponsor over an other then how could they possibly keep things fair? For example when Camaro_ss_81 asked about cold fusion kits, Robert replied with
"Look for some new kits from Nitrous Direct, very high quality and high end noids in new kit(s). Nitrous Direct does have some low cost alternatives (read smaller noids) for those on a budget. "
Now that is fair to HSW who also sells CF product? Dosen't seem straight down the lne to me.
As a general user on the board people can write that they like one mfg over another or one vendor over another, but I feel moderators should stay more neutral and not try to sway a potential buyer to buy his product because he might make some money.
Thats why I posted this thread so we can discuss these ideas.
Moderators should be an independant person who keeps things legit on these boards. If they have any vested interest in one sponsor over an other then how could they possibly keep things fair? For example when Camaro_ss_81 asked about cold fusion kits, Robert replied with
"Look for some new kits from Nitrous Direct, very high quality and high end noids in new kit(s). Nitrous Direct does have some low cost alternatives (read smaller noids) for those on a budget. "
Now that is fair to HSW who also sells CF product? Dosen't seem straight down the lne to me.
As a general user on the board people can write that they like one mfg over another or one vendor over another, but I feel moderators should stay more neutral and not try to sway a potential buyer to buy his product because he might make some money.
Thats why I posted this thread so we can discuss these ideas.
Vinnie,
You make a real good point there.. What if a arguement arrives.You know it would have to be hard for someone in that position to hold a neutral and fare standing...
Dave
Im sure Robert know where to draw the line. As long as the admins allow the dual status then thats fine. However...this site is based on sponsors paying for thier slots and right to adverise here. If there was unfair treatment or even blatant preferencial treatment that may cause some sponsors to pull thier sponsorship. We obviously dont want that to happen....
So the word of the day is PROFESSIONALISM. If everyone goes about there jobs here as honest professionals and shows respect to one another, there...in theory...should never be a problem.
So with all that said...maybe Nitro Dave needs to hire a "representative" as well
Im available nights and weekends
So the word of the day is PROFESSIONALISM. If everyone goes about there jobs here as honest professionals and shows respect to one another, there...in theory...should never be a problem.
So with all that said...maybe Nitro Dave needs to hire a "representative" as well
Im available nights and weekends
Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
Im sure Robert know where to draw the line. As long as the admins allow the dual status then thats fine. However...this site is based on sponsors paying for thier slots and right to adverise here. If there was unfair treatment or even blatant preferencial treatment that may cause some sponsors to pull thier sponsorship. We obviously dont want that to happen....
So the word of the day is PROFESSIONALISM. If everyone goes about there jobs here as honest professionals and shows respect to one another, there...in theory...should never be a problem.
So with all that said...maybe Nitro Dave needs to hire a "representative" as well Im available nights and weekends
So the word of the day is PROFESSIONALISM. If everyone goes about there jobs here as honest professionals and shows respect to one another, there...in theory...should never be a problem.
So with all that said...maybe Nitro Dave needs to hire a "representative" as well
Im available nights and weekends Al I agree,
I think Robert is a very level headed person. We all know I am a hot head and there is no way I could be in that position and do a fair job
Im sure Robert will be fine.
Dave
Actually the nitrous section is one of the smoothest running areas of the forum. We seldom have any real drama. You should see/hear of the drama that has to be dealt with in admin section sometimes.
860 I think I am going to have to ban you, delete your post, lock all past posts, remove any thread you particapated in and.....
now that would be not playing it straight down the line. I don't see how letting someone know about products is getting out of line. Matt has a good company going and it'll continue whether or not I make known a alternative vendor/product. This is what we do here. I still offer my input on everything for everyone and not just for making money.
Since I was mod here, I have locked one post and moved two others for selling and not being a sponser, so I have been looking out for the sponser all along. Plus I have allways encourged buying from a vendor, so...
Dave, when have We argued? I don't think I'll buy anymore parts from you.
It's all good and thanks to those who said good things. No problem on this end.
Robert
860 I think I am going to have to ban you, delete your post, lock all past posts, remove any thread you particapated in and.....
now that would be not playing it straight down the line. I don't see how letting someone know about products is getting out of line. Matt has a good company going and it'll continue whether or not I make known a alternative vendor/product. This is what we do here. I still offer my input on everything for everyone and not just for making money.
Since I was mod here, I have locked one post and moved two others for selling and not being a sponser, so I have been looking out for the sponser all along. Plus I have allways encourged buying from a vendor, so...
Dave, when have We argued? I don't think I'll buy anymore parts from you.
It's all good and thanks to those who said good things. No problem on this end.
Robert
Robert,
You have always had great techical input, a good person who shares personal experiences, level headed, and most of all kept a good sense of humor. So as far as professionalism goes you are there. But there is still a conflict of interest.
What are you going to post when the next person asks "where should I buy a CF kit from?" Or my personal favorite "who makes the best nitrous kit?" Up until recently you have always stood by your dry NOS kit, are you still going to say NOS?
Vinny
You have always had great techical input, a good person who shares personal experiences, level headed, and most of all kept a good sense of humor. So as far as professionalism goes you are there. But there is still a conflict of interest.
What are you going to post when the next person asks "where should I buy a CF kit from?" Or my personal favorite "who makes the best nitrous kit?" Up until recently you have always stood by your dry NOS kit, are you still going to say NOS?
Vinny
Originally Posted by Robert56
Actually the nitrous section is one of the smoothest running areas of the forum. We seldom have any real drama. You should see/hear of the drama that has to be dealt with in admin section sometimes.
860 I think I am going to have to ban you, delete your post, lock all past posts, remove any thread you particapated in and.....
now that would be not playing it straight down the line. I don't see how letting someone know about products is getting out of line. Matt has a good company going and it'll continue whether or not I make known a alternative vendor/product. This is what we do here. I still offer my input on everything for everyone and not just for making money.
Since I was mod here, I have locked one post and moved two others for selling and not being a sponser, so I have been looking out for the sponser all along. Plus I have allways encourged buying from a vendor, so...
Dave, when have We argued? I don't think I'll buy anymore parts from you.
It's all good and thanks to those who said good things. No problem on this end.
Robert
860 I think I am going to have to ban you, delete your post, lock all past posts, remove any thread you particapated in and.....
now that would be not playing it straight down the line. I don't see how letting someone know about products is getting out of line. Matt has a good company going and it'll continue whether or not I make known a alternative vendor/product. This is what we do here. I still offer my input on everything for everyone and not just for making money.
Since I was mod here, I have locked one post and moved two others for selling and not being a sponser, so I have been looking out for the sponser all along. Plus I have allways encourged buying from a vendor, so...
Dave, when have We argued? I don't think I'll buy anymore parts from you.
It's all good and thanks to those who said good things. No problem on this end.
Robert
Originally Posted by 860 Performance
Robert,
You have always had great techical input, a good person who shares personal experiences, level headed, and most of all kept a good sense of humor. So as far as professionalism goes you are there. But there is still a conflict of interest.
What are you going to post when the next person asks "where should I buy a CF kit from?" Or my personal favorite "who makes the best nitrous kit?" Up until recently you have always stood by your dry NOS kit, are you still going to say NOS?
Vinny
You have always had great techical input, a good person who shares personal experiences, level headed, and most of all kept a good sense of humor. So as far as professionalism goes you are there. But there is still a conflict of interest.
What are you going to post when the next person asks "where should I buy a CF kit from?" Or my personal favorite "who makes the best nitrous kit?" Up until recently you have always stood by your dry NOS kit, are you still going to say NOS?
Vinny
On where to buy, I think I'll have to state to check all site vendors and products and come to a knowledgable choice, and the choice better be correct or I will sensor their post...Joking
On who makes the best kit. Well from my perspective, it would depend on what they are trying to do, I would not be afraid to send someone to another vendor. Now with that said, we have to look at products/kits to come and decide on cost, completness, quality and support, so I can't say I wouldn't reccomend Nitrous Direct house kits or Cold Fusion.
The job of a mod is to keep people inline and safe from attacks; To insure that vendors do correctly; Make sure people that aren't sponsors don't sell, and things like this. Capitalism is the name of the game on this site and we can't stop vendors from competing for the same buyer, nor do we want to, as it is in the best interest of buyers for the said competion. I am sure if I do get out of line someone, or many, will certainly let me know. I will do my best though to stay away from bashing any product or vendor, which I feel I always have. Thanks for the kind words by the way.
Robert
JEEZE i go to the movies and come back to this!!
LOL i think all in all we are a pretty big familly here all pasionate about the same thing performance, fun, and Nitrous!
Dave and I, although contrary to popular belief and some random drunken posts get along well and even talk. There's plenty of business to go around and whether it's he or I we've got ya covered.
Robert, I felt is very passionate about nitrous, knows his stuff, and is good at what he does! I see no conflict as it's 2 totally different things and moding has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with representing a company. Modding is to keep people like Dave and I in line and put us in the corner when we are bad! haha And to make sure only vendors are posting stuff for sale etc..
As for him using status? Naa his status is his knowledge, length of time being around, quality of posts, and true interest in the industry.
And dave.. just let me know if you catch him goofing off!!!
LOL i think all in all we are a pretty big familly here all pasionate about the same thing performance, fun, and Nitrous!
Dave and I, although contrary to popular belief and some random drunken posts get along well and even talk. There's plenty of business to go around and whether it's he or I we've got ya covered.
Robert, I felt is very passionate about nitrous, knows his stuff, and is good at what he does! I see no conflict as it's 2 totally different things and moding has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with representing a company. Modding is to keep people like Dave and I in line and put us in the corner when we are bad! haha And to make sure only vendors are posting stuff for sale etc..
As for him using status? Naa his status is his knowledge, length of time being around, quality of posts, and true interest in the industry.
And dave.. just let me know if you catch him goofing off!!!
''Well, on the NOS thing, I have a good answer, the 5177 being one of the all time best kits, there is now an alternative, a direct competitor that offers a similar product of quality and afforability with excellant web/tech support.''
Robert,
Thank you but You just now relized that we did this.
No really we have been building a knock off kit of the 5177 kit for a while now. I just have not posted it. There are a few people here on this board that have bought it from me. You just never asked and I do not like dual solenoids so I never offered unless it was asked for.LOL
Dave
Robert,
Thank you but You just now relized that we did this.
No really we have been building a knock off kit of the 5177 kit for a while now. I just have not posted it. There are a few people here on this board that have bought it from me. You just never asked and I do not like dual solenoids so I never offered unless it was asked for.LOL
Dave