Nitrous vendor Jihad
12-06-2005, 03:06 PM
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I think part of the guidelines should be if someone comes in and asks a stupid question answered in the FAQ- Spam Away-
Especially where to mount bottles, whats the difference between wet and dry, what size shot can i run on a stock LS1...
You get the idea-
Especially where to mount bottles, whats the difference between wet and dry, what size shot can i run on a stock LS1...
You get the idea-
12-06-2005, 03:32 PM
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you could draw up some rules...for instance:
1).if someone inquires about a specific product..the first company/vender to acknowledge the thread should have 1st rights as far as possible sale and/or tech support. we wouldnt have this competition if another vender jumped in on the thread to try and lure away a possible sale for the original vender.
2). let cold fusion deal with cold fusion and NX deal with NX..(just using those 2 companies as a general example)...there should be no reason why a opposing vender jump in on another's thread unless you want to try and steal someones business or come up with theres own reason why their product is better and/or the other is junk.
im sure there can be more added...these are the 2 most common things i come across when i read through these threads and i hate it. to me, when i read this, steers me away from the company that does these things to try and drum up bussiness..not good for customer relations in my opinion.
this is just my 2 cents for i am merely a pion in this whole nitrous family...just stating basically what i hate seein and wish it would change. goodluck.!!
1).if someone inquires about a specific product..the first company/vender to acknowledge the thread should have 1st rights as far as possible sale and/or tech support. we wouldnt have this competition if another vender jumped in on the thread to try and lure away a possible sale for the original vender.
2). let cold fusion deal with cold fusion and NX deal with NX..(just using those 2 companies as a general example)...there should be no reason why a opposing vender jump in on another's thread unless you want to try and steal someones business or come up with theres own reason why their product is better and/or the other is junk.
im sure there can be more added...these are the 2 most common things i come across when i read through these threads and i hate it. to me, when i read this, steers me away from the company that does these things to try and drum up bussiness..not good for customer relations in my opinion.
this is just my 2 cents for i am merely a pion in this whole nitrous family...just stating basically what i hate seein and wish it would change. goodluck.!!
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12-06-2005, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Macon
Uncertain why...but it seems like it's all out war around here. Sometimes support is becoming secondary to sales.
12-06-2005, 04:53 PM
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i agree with TNTramair
if someone is expressing interest in a CFN kit or part, a CFN vendor or employee should respond to the question only (other than other board members) - all other vendors/companies should stay way the **** away unless the original poster expresses interest in a competitor's part and wants more info on the product...then the vendors/employees of that product can chime in on their product only and do not draw direct comparisons with the competition's product
i think that would be a good start
if someone is expressing interest in a CFN kit or part, a CFN vendor or employee should respond to the question only (other than other board members) - all other vendors/companies should stay way the **** away unless the original poster expresses interest in a competitor's part and wants more info on the product...then the vendors/employees of that product can chime in on their product only and do not draw direct comparisons with the competition's product
i think that would be a good start
12-06-2005, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iamsickofitall
i agree with TNTramair
if someone is expressing interest in a CFN kit or part, a CFN vendor or employee should respond to the question only (other than other board members) - all other vendors/companies should stay way the **** away unless the original poster expresses interest in a competitor's part and wants more info on the product...then the vendors/employees of that product can chime in on their product only and do not draw direct comparisons with the competition's product
i think that would be a good start
if someone is expressing interest in a CFN kit or part, a CFN vendor or employee should respond to the question only (other than other board members) - all other vendors/companies should stay way the **** away unless the original poster expresses interest in a competitor's part and wants more info on the product...then the vendors/employees of that product can chime in on their product only and do not draw direct comparisons with the competition's product
i think that would be a good start
Cant really do that. What if the original poster doesnt want to buy the kit from the "first guy who responds". According to that logic the poster will be stuck with whatever the first guy that responds sells. The original poster is also looking for input from regular members as well. How would that be regulated? if the first guy to jump in was ND and a regular member chimed in and said he has had good luck with NX how would that fit in.
Say the original poster specifically asks for advice on a Cold Fusion product....if all the other vendors follow rule #1...then they will not be replying about a CF product since it is not thier own. That thread should remainn CF oriented.
Again...if its a general open question about kits....and every vendor replies and follows rule #1...they will still be safe.
Too much protocol there.
Keep it simple
If a poster asks about kits and everyone follows rule #1 and states what good qualities THIER kit has to offer....everything will be fine.
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12-07-2005, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
Cant really do that. What if the original poster doesnt want to buy the kit from the "first guy who responds". According to that logic the poster will be stuck with whatever the first guy that responds sells. The original poster is also looking for input from regular members as well. How would that be regulated? if the first guy to jump in was ND and a regular member chimed in and said he has had good luck with NX how would that fit in.
Say the original poster specifically asks for advice on a Cold Fusion product....if all the other vendors follow rule #1...then they will not be replying about a CF product since it is not thier own. That thread should remainn CF oriented.
Again...if its a general open question about kits....and every vendor replies and follows rule #1...they will still be safe.
Too much protocol there.
Keep it simple
If a poster asks about kits and everyone follows rule #1 and states what good qualities THIER kit has to offer....everything will be fine.
Say the original poster specifically asks for advice on a Cold Fusion product....if all the other vendors follow rule #1...then they will not be replying about a CF product since it is not thier own. That thread should remainn CF oriented.
Again...if its a general open question about kits....and every vendor replies and follows rule #1...they will still be safe.
Too much protocol there.
Keep it simple
If a poster asks about kits and everyone follows rule #1 and states what good qualities THIER kit has to offer....everything will be fine.
12-07-2005, 10:02 AM
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I don't think there should be any rules imposed on the vendors. Making sales and customer service is what keeps these guys in business. They pay to be a vendor on here which gives them the right to push for sales and to take care of their customers and potential customers on here. When you start placing rules/guidelines on what they can say or how they go about getting sales, then you are messing with their livelihood. Not to mention that there is a thing called "free enterprise", which is what America's economy is based on.
With that being said, I do agree that people need to act like mature adults instead of bickering like children. However, when the vendors start acting the way some of them have lately I think they are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to sales. For that reason I don't see the need for rules/guidelines for the vendors, they will hang themselves if they continue to act up.
Big Mike - We don't need to start comparing turbos now. I'm pretty sure Ricky has everyone covered with that 105mm monster hair dryer of his, haha.
With that being said, I do agree that people need to act like mature adults instead of bickering like children. However, when the vendors start acting the way some of them have lately I think they are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to sales. For that reason I don't see the need for rules/guidelines for the vendors, they will hang themselves if they continue to act up.
Big Mike - We don't need to start comparing turbos now. I'm pretty sure Ricky has everyone covered with that 105mm monster hair dryer of his, haha.
12-08-2005, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NXJeremy
I don't think there should be any rules imposed on the vendors.
but we are not imposing rules on the vendors. I wrote down some basic items and the vendors all agreed to the list that was sent out. They could "do thier own thing" if they really wanted to....or could have rejected it....still can.
But I believe its in everyones best interest to have a set of basic codes and courtesies to shoot for. If three out of the four vendors abides and is courteous....and the fourth is a backstabbing SOB....it wil be more apparent this way and much easier to deal with.
On the flip side...if 3 out of 4 do whatever they want.....and post in each others threads and put down each others product (much like politicians do in an election) then those vendors will spend a good portion of each day argueing and reading and replying to posts to defend thier own products. That would pretty much suck for all involved.
So if everyone stays on the path and follows the golden rule #1.....it will be easy for the two moderators to spot trouble posts and do thier job. If it was a free for all with no codes or rules....then it will be up to the vendors to refute and rebutt what they felt to be misinformation and bad selling practices and negative campaigning...again thats doesnt sound too appealing and takes up valuable time.
12-09-2005, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
I get what your saying Jeremy...
but we are not imposing rules on the vendors. I wrote down some basic items and the vendors all agreed to the list that was sent out. They could "do thier own thing" if they really wanted to....or could have rejected it....still can.
But I believe its in everyones best interest to have a set of basic codes and courtesies to shoot for. If three out of the four vendors abides and is courteous....and the fourth is a backstabbing SOB....it wil be more apparent this way and much easier to deal with.
On the flip side...if 3 out of 4 do whatever they want.....and post in each others threads and put down each others product (much like politicians do in an election) then those vendors will spend a good portion of each day argueing and reading and replying to posts to defend thier own products. That would pretty much suck for all involved.
So if everyone stays on the path and follows the golden rule #1.....it will be easy for the two moderators to spot trouble posts and do thier job. If it was a free for all with no codes or rules....then it will be up to the vendors to refute and rebutt what they felt to be misinformation and bad selling practices and negative campaigning...again thats doesnt sound too appealing and takes up valuable time.
but we are not imposing rules on the vendors. I wrote down some basic items and the vendors all agreed to the list that was sent out. They could "do thier own thing" if they really wanted to....or could have rejected it....still can.
But I believe its in everyones best interest to have a set of basic codes and courtesies to shoot for. If three out of the four vendors abides and is courteous....and the fourth is a backstabbing SOB....it wil be more apparent this way and much easier to deal with.
On the flip side...if 3 out of 4 do whatever they want.....and post in each others threads and put down each others product (much like politicians do in an election) then those vendors will spend a good portion of each day argueing and reading and replying to posts to defend thier own products. That would pretty much suck for all involved.
So if everyone stays on the path and follows the golden rule #1.....it will be easy for the two moderators to spot trouble posts and do thier job. If it was a free for all with no codes or rules....then it will be up to the vendors to refute and rebutt what they felt to be misinformation and bad selling practices and negative campaigning...again thats doesnt sound too appealing and takes up valuable time.
12-09-2005, 02:47 PM
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383LQ4SS - I understand your point, and I agree with the thought process behind making the "guidelines" and sending them to the vendors. I think we are both trying to get to the same point, but taking different routes to get there. My point I was trying to get across earlier was that we are all adults and the vendors should conduct themselves in a professional/courtious manner. If they would invoke a bit of self control when it comes to going at it with other vendors, then there wouldn't be a problem for the most part. Plus, it would be easy to spot the vendors that are not going along with the whole self control thing and causing problems. They would basically hang themselves in regards to sales on here, consiquently weeding out the shady/negative/unprofessional vendors on here.
Like I said. I'm with ya'. We're just taking different routes to reach the same point.
Like I said. I'm with ya'. We're just taking different routes to reach the same point.
12-10-2005, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NXJeremy
With that being said, I do agree that people need to act like mature adults instead of bickering like children. However, when the vendors start acting the way some of them have lately I think they are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to sales. For that reason I don't see the need for rules/guidelines for the vendors, they will hang themselves if they continue to act up.
Quite possibly the best advice in this thread. We are after all (for the most part) adults and we should act as such. I think that consumers can tell who is acting like an idiot and who is professional. In the end they will buy from the professional individual instead of the internet bafoon. At least thats how how I look at it. Call me crazy.......
12-10-2005, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TPY2KWS6
Quite possibly the best advice in this thread. We are after all (for the most part) adults and we should act as such. I think that consumers can tell who is acting like an idiot and who is professional. In the end they will buy from the professional individual instead of the internet bafoon. At least thats how how I look at it. Call me crazy.......
