Nitrous Pressure Discussion.
12-16-2005, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by N20GMC
Yes I have seen it done also when empting a bottle and pure liquid comes out. But thats what you want. Is liquid not gas. The liquid is more dense and doesnt expand until its in the manafold. If we could get liquid n20 in the manafold we would, we are working on it though.
12-16-2005, 07:37 PM
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The liquid into the manifold would be very tough.. Since it is only a liquid with a certin pressures or temps. what about this Maybe N2OGMC could help with this one.. If you froze the intake prior to racing by taken a bottle of co2 or nitrous and super chilling the manifold. That would help with et, and maybe allow more nitrous to be liquid in the intake... I have noticed that once nitrous crosses an orfice it changes to gas.. HMMMM maybe install the nitrous nozzle just like a down nozzle on an alcohol car...
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12-16-2005, 07:59 PM
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how about incorporating the noids into the manifold. Almost like the NX rail system. But instead you would have the valve somewhere VERY close to the intake port. Then mount the coil externally. Obviously you would need 8 coils and the valves would have to be made into each manifold and you would have to make each manifold as well.
Or have the bottom exit noids with a sealed mount on the base of each runner. Come up with a way to put the jets right at the exit of the noid/entrance of the runner. Definately a project but doable. That would eliminate any room for the n20 to expand to a gas as its traveling through the lines and/or rails towards the nozzle.
Or have the bottom exit noids with a sealed mount on the base of each runner. Come up with a way to put the jets right at the exit of the noid/entrance of the runner. Definately a project but doable. That would eliminate any room for the n20 to expand to a gas as its traveling through the lines and/or rails towards the nozzle.
12-16-2005, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
how about incorporating the noids into the manifold. Almost like the NX rail system. But instead you would have the valve somewhere VERY close to the intake port. Then mount the coil externally. Obviously you would need 8 coils and the valves would have to be made into each manifold and you would have to make each manifold as well.
Or have the bottom exit noids with a sealed mount on the base of each runner. Come up with a way to put the jets right at the exit of the noid/entrance of the runner. Definately a project but doable. That would eliminate any room for the n20 to expand to a gas as its traveling through the lines and/or rails towards the nozzle.
Or have the bottom exit noids with a sealed mount on the base of each runner. Come up with a way to put the jets right at the exit of the noid/entrance of the runner. Definately a project but doable. That would eliminate any room for the n20 to expand to a gas as its traveling through the lines and/or rails towards the nozzle.
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Originally Posted by Homeslice (tm)
How about going to a Ultra high pressure system that doesn't fall to sub critical pressures in the line... say 2000-2500 psi or more. The pressure drop off would be severe but nor sufficient to take it below the magic 1050 number.
Yeah, two 20 lb bottles Tee'd together feeding a nozzle with no jet. Crap your pants at the push of a button.
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Originally Posted by NXRICKY
The liquid into the manifold would be very tough.. Since it is only a liquid with a certin pressures or temps. what about this Maybe N2OGMC could help with this one.. If you froze the intake prior to racing by taken a bottle of co2 or nitrous and super chilling the manifold. That would help with et, and maybe allow more nitrous to be liquid in the intake... I have noticed that once nitrous crosses an orfice it changes to gas.. HMMMM maybe install the nitrous nozzle just like a down nozzle on an alcohol car...
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12-16-2005, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cyipher
How about a bottle at 1050 psi at 30 degrees F? nitrogen push is the only way i know of doing this but it would be interesting to see if there is a hp difference.
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
how about incorporating the noids into the manifold. Almost like the NX rail system. But instead you would have the valve somewhere VERY close to the intake port. Then mount the coil externally. Obviously you would need 8 coils and the valves would have to be made into each manifold and you would have to make each manifold as well.
Or have the bottom exit noids with a sealed mount on the base of each runner. Come up with a way to put the jets right at the exit of the noid/entrance of the runner. Definately a project but doable. That would eliminate any room for the n20 to expand to a gas as its traveling through the lines and/or rails towards the nozzle.
Or have the bottom exit noids with a sealed mount on the base of each runner. Come up with a way to put the jets right at the exit of the noid/entrance of the runner. Definately a project but doable. That would eliminate any room for the n20 to expand to a gas as its traveling through the lines and/or rails towards the nozzle.
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12-16-2005, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NXRICKY
Will I am think this would not be good now... I am going out on limb bare with me.. The nitrous needs time to expand and turn into a gaseous state to help in the cooling. that whole boiling effect. High pressure juice can not have the same cooling effect since its not boiling. Also liquid can not be compressed so you would not want liquid getting into the cylinder... Ever wonder why a plate hits harder than a nozzle system.. I think becuase its high up the stream and is super chilling the intire runners volume of air..
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01-11-2009, 07:34 PM
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Ok, I am bring this thread back from the dead. Yes, I know it is over 3 years old, but I think with the changes in technology and the now increasing prevalence of push system I think this needs to be rediscussed.
Cyipher touched on it, but never got a response. I think it would be interesting to be able to use a push system to pressurize the bottle to around 1500psi while maintaining a low bottle temperature. Of course the added pressure is going to increase the temperature of the nitrous, but no where near the amount heating it would.
With white2001s10's results:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...t-results.html
We can see that increasing the pressure provides an even greater reduction in the temperature of the surrounding area. From the 1300 to 1700 psi tests we see a greater area affected by the reduction in temperature. On the other hand we see that even though the test was done over a period of 3 seconds we see a larger pressure drop in the bottle that would be even more accute as the test time increases.
Now, with the mass marketing of push systems and their increasing popularity I'd like to see a kit adapted to running and maintaining the bottle pressure at an extremely high pressure. With out having done the test what are everyone's thoughts and / or opinions.
With white2001s10's results:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...t-results.html
We can see that increasing the pressure provides an even greater reduction in the temperature of the surrounding area. From the 1300 to 1700 psi tests we see a greater area affected by the reduction in temperature. On the other hand we see that even though the test was done over a period of 3 seconds we see a larger pressure drop in the bottle that would be even more accute as the test time increases.
Now, with the mass marketing of push systems and their increasing popularity I'd like to see a kit adapted to running and maintaining the bottle pressure at an extremely high pressure. With out having done the test what are everyone's thoughts and / or opinions.
01-24-2009, 09:23 PM
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i gota question..nitrous kits are mostly rated at 900-1000psi...we have botle problems getting them up sometimes so why cant we up the n2o jet and make a kit at 700 psi or so...my dynotune heaters take forever about 30 minutes to get a 40 degree bottle to 1000 psi
01-28-2009, 12:49 PM
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02-05-2009, 04:22 PM
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Ok, I am bring this thread back from the dead. Yes, I know it is over 3 years old, but I think with the changes in technology and the now increasing prevalence of push system I think this needs to be rediscussed.
Cyipher touched on it, but never got a response. I think it would be interesting to be able to use a push system to pressurize the bottle to around 1500psi while maintaining a low bottle temperature. Of course the added pressure is going to increase the temperature of the nitrous, but no where near the amount heating it would.
With white2001s10's results:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...t-results.html
We can see that increasing the pressure provides an even greater reduction in the temperature of the surrounding area. From the 1300 to 1700 psi tests we see a greater area affected by the reduction in temperature. On the other hand we see that even though the test was done over a period of 3 seconds we see a larger pressure drop in the bottle that would be even more accute as the test time increases.
Now, with the mass marketing of push systems and their increasing popularity I'd like to see a kit adapted to running and maintaining the bottle pressure at an extremely high pressure. With out having done the test what are everyone's thoughts and / or opinions.
Cyipher touched on it, but never got a response. I think it would be interesting to be able to use a push system to pressurize the bottle to around 1500psi while maintaining a low bottle temperature. Of course the added pressure is going to increase the temperature of the nitrous, but no where near the amount heating it would.
With white2001s10's results:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...t-results.html
We can see that increasing the pressure provides an even greater reduction in the temperature of the surrounding area. From the 1300 to 1700 psi tests we see a greater area affected by the reduction in temperature. On the other hand we see that even though the test was done over a period of 3 seconds we see a larger pressure drop in the bottle that would be even more accute as the test time increases.
Now, with the mass marketing of push systems and their increasing popularity I'd like to see a kit adapted to running and maintaining the bottle pressure at an extremely high pressure. With out having done the test what are everyone's thoughts and / or opinions.
Robert
