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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KVU
Intake air temps drop dramatically with a dry kit. The intake charge is more powerful not just because of the air density but also due to the intake "working" better. It's effectively creating a greater pressure differential in the port.

Then you have the fact that one solenoid & nossle/jet will have less pressure drop (in the line) than 8 of em. Dry shots hit harder for that reason combined with a denser charge.


Judging by demeanor, I don't think there is no convincing ya'll. So instead of debating me, save it. You guys are right, I'm wrong. I mean ****, with a name like nitrous dave..he must know EVERYTHING
Maybe u should look at some of the technical posts these guys have made. Nitrous is pretty much all these guys do all day. I am pretty sure i will take there advice over a 13 post rookie that wont explain himself.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1_doc
Maybe u should look at some of the technical posts these guys have made. Nitrous is pretty much all these guys do all day. I am pretty sure i will take there advice over a 13 post rookie that wont explain himself.
I agree about listening to the pro's that do it every day.But you shouldnt down the guy for having 13 posts.Sorry for the rant but sometimes post count has no reflection on a persons intelligence.Even though alot of times it does.

Ive been on ls1.com and ls1tech since they started.I dont have alot of posts but I know my stuff and I'm on and off ls1 tech everydayday.

Anyway like I said sorry for the rant.Its ok to clown know it all newbies,it just bothers me when someone throws out their post count.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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Yeah i understand but thats all these guys do. I hate smart alec people
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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I love the debate as long as it doesn't get personal.

Judging post count is not much difference than judging by signature or avatar really. The most nitrous experienced guys out there don't even post on this forum.

I think a dry system would hold its own against a DP up to 400-shot and maybe a little beyond.
When someone finally produces the theoretical "closed throttle" system, it will be dry.

One big reason I like DP besides the distribution issue is the ease of running a dedicated fuel system for the N2O.
The DP does have its disadvantages though. One being that it absorbs far less heat from the intake charge. There is just too much area allowing pressure drop and heat absorbtion compared to a simpler system.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1_doc
Maybe u should look at some of the technical posts these guys have made. Nitrous is pretty much all these guys do all day. I am pretty sure i will take there advice over a 13 post rookie that wont explain himself.
I did explain myself. Did you read it?

I don't have a ton of post here but I do have 8000 of em in a nitrous forum. That must count for something


Kind of funny how your GODs had all day to post but said nothing. Maybe I'm just making too much sense

come one, please send some more condesending post my way, O godz of juice.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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so any input on my ???? instead of arguing???
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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no where in the thread says which 1 is better, u guys r obviously in the wrong thread, just get 2 the point!!!
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CHIWS6
no where in the thread says which 1 is better, u guys r obviously in the wrong thread, just get 2 the point!!!
thank you!
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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Dry shots are king, the multi stage direct port dry for sure.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Letsndy
so any input on my ???? instead of arguing???
I gave my input. Nobody liked it and started to responding to my post instead of yours. Sorry that "some folks" can't respect my opinion instead of refuting it. My intent was not to hyjack your thread. Go with the dry shot, 42's and tuning. You'll be more than fine.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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yeah, thats exactly what im gonna do. since im not gonna go with the tune for the nitrous. do you guys recommend a timing tuner to pull some timing?
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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A dry shot will pull some timing automatically.

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Originally Posted by Letsndy
yeah, thats exactly what im gonna do. since im not gonna go with the tune for the nitrous. do you guys recommend a timing tuner to pull some timing?
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Letsndy
yeah, thats exactly what im gonna do. since im not gonna go with the tune for the nitrous. do you guys recommend a timing tuner to pull some timing?
If going dry, and over about 150 then timing pull should be considered (below that level with stock timing no pulling needed). In my web in the links section is a write up for pulling timing on dry while spraying only, dosen't effect n/a. this is done in your tune and is really easy for any tuner guy. No need for an aftermarket timing puller when running dry, Another great benifit of a dry hit.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
If going dry, and over about 150 then timing pull should be considered (below that level with stock timing no pulling needed). In my web in the links section is a write up for pulling timing on dry while spraying only, dosen't effect n/a. this is done in your tune and is really easy for any tuner guy. No need for an aftermarket timing puller when running dry, Another great benifit of a dry hit.
Robert
great! thanks everyone for all the help!
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:04 AM
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LoL.. this thread makes dry sound like god. So why does everyone suggest wet if this is the case?
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragframe
LoL.. this thread makes dry sound like god. So why does everyone suggest wet if this is the case?
I suggest wet because I love to see the giant fire ***** when they pop. Cars with burn marks have more character.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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God huh? Well, that is what your girlfriend calls me anyway... haha, just kidding.I couldn't pass that one up.

I'm not saying wet is better than dry or vise versa.
But I do step in when there are false claims.

You can't possibly say that a dry kit maks a more dense charge than a wet kit. That makes no sense what so ever. If you are actually refering to the density of the charge, it is purely dependant to the ammount of nitrous and or fuel that makes it up. Now, assuming you are comparing a single fogger wet kit to a single fogger dry kit jetted at the same level, and measuring the density of the charge in the manifold, then the wet kit will definelty have a more dense charge than the dry kit because it also atomized fuel.
Now, if you look at the temperature drop in the manifold they will be very similar too since the same ammount of nitrous is sprayed in each, but again the wet kit will have a slightly colder charge than the dry since it also atomized the fuel. I'm sure its a very small ammount compared to the ammount of nitrous, but none-the-less the wet kit has to provide a colder charge.


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Also saying thats why dry makes more power than wet is completely false. Look at any of the wet vs dry debates. It almost always ends with both kits can definelty make power when set up right, even Robert and White can agree with that, and they are the 2 most die-hard dry kit users I can think of.


I'm not saying either will make more power than the other. I like both approaches, in fact my stage1 is dry 200hp and stage 2 is wet 150hp.
Just trying to keep facts straight.
and like white 2001 said" I love debates", I always seem to learn some new thing from everyone.
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I did explain myself. Did you read it?

I don't have a ton of post here but I do have 8000 of em in a nitrous forum. That must count for something


Kind of funny how your GODs had all day to post but said nothing. Maybe I'm just making too much sense

come one, please send some more condesending post my way, O godz of juice.

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by white2001s10
With smaller shots, a wet system can increase density in the manifold more than a dry shot, due simply to the percentage of N2O compared to ambient air going into the intake, and the added cooling & mass of the extra fuel.
A larger dry N2O shot would easily outpower a wet system due simply to the fact that evaporating N2O absorbs tons more heat energy than evaporating fuel. Trying to jet a wet system up to a very high level would be disasterous and probably launch the intake manifold into orbit.
I tried to cover that issue here.
Smaller shots give some advantage to wet, but when the % of N2O goes on up in relation to the amount of ambient air, the advantage goes to the dry. Not only that but the distribution error grows quickly to a point of failure if you try to reach a large power level with the wet system.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:00 AM
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^+1


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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by white2001s10
I tried to cover that issue here.
Smaller shots give some advantage to wet, but when the % of N2O goes on up in relation to the amount of ambient air, the advantage goes to the dry. Not only that but the distribution error grows quickly to a point of failure if you try to reach a large power level with the wet system.
so for a small 100 shot, wet is probly perfered?
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