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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 12:50 PM
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I am pretty new here, been reading for a while to get a 101 on nitrous!! Anyhow, I have an 03 Z06 h/c w/100 Zex wet kit. My system will not purge. I checked the switch to see if it was bad, it's not, the noid clicks when I hit the switch. I thought maybe the noids were stuck, so I ran a hotwire from the battery, touched the wire on the purge and it worked/purged fine, so the purge noid is not stuck. I bought the car with the nitrous system on it, I cannot find any fuses or anything, I thought maybe it was a bad fuse. It also has a NX switch. So I bought a cheapo toggle to try that, still got a click when I flipped the toggle.
Could it be a problem with the Zex system(purple box) that everthing runs in/out of? Sorry for the noob questions, but I am at a loss here. Anyone have any info/ideas? Let me know...thanks!!!
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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I would check voltage at the solenoids. Check grounds. Whats the bottle pressure? Those things I would start with first. Good Luck.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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I agree i would check the ground, my zex kit is very tempermental and has to have a perfect ground in order to work, and i would check the main power going to the solenoids as well to make sure its a constant 12v feed because it sounds like it might be losing power through the wiring that you have set up, or your power wire might be touching a ground and make sure nothing is sharing the circut
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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Thanks for the responses!! I have already checked the ground and it's ok. I haven't checked the voltage on the wire, don't have a meter. I will get one and see if it has power. Any other ideas??
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 07:36 AM
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Anyone else have some input???
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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i have an optima red top and bought a batery terminal, grounded everything right to the battery...=) that fixed "good" ground problems
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaro94SS
i have an optima red top and bought a batery terminal, grounded everything right to the battery...=) that fixed "good" ground problems
I don't think it's a ground problem, when I put a hotwire from the battery to the wire on the purge it works. The wire running from the purge to the system box is fine and not grounded out. The switch is good...I'm stumped!!
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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How did you test the wire going from the purge solenoid to the box?

I would start checking for voltage/grounds on the terminals at the box now. I'm not familiar with the Zex "box" in particular, but all systems do basically the same thing. Does the box store the relays internally?

Just keep going further down the line, you'll find the problem somewhere.
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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It's not in the Zex box since that is a completely separate unit from the purge (wiring, solenoids and everything else).
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I just thought, is the key turned on when you try it?

Do you know if there is a relay on the purge solenoid? And then a momentary button to activate the relay that turns the purge solenoid on?
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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hey I had the same problem with the ZEX selenoids, not only was the NMU selenoid fried, but the Purge too. Do a bench test of your Solenoid, hook it to a 12V powersource, if you hear a click, it works, if not, contact Nitrousoutlet.com for a better solenoid.
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Originally Posted by StngKlr
I just thought, is the key turned on when you try it?

Do you know if there is a relay on the purge solenoid? And then a momentary button to activate the relay that turns the purge solenoid on?
Yes the key is on the system is armed. I don't know if the purge is wired through a relay or not, I can't seem to find where it is.
When I run a hot wire from the battery it purges.
When I run a wire from the wire on the purge to the switch, and I flip the switch, it purges. So...there is a short somewhere in the existing wiring, I can't find it!! Remind you, I did not wire the car.

Could I cut the existing wire running to the purge, and run a new wire from the purge noid to my NX switch (that is a keyed power source) and put a relay in the new wire with a 5 amp fuse? Someone let me know if that will work. I am sick of searching and really want to use my system, but not to the jeopardy of starting an electrical fire!! Let me know, thanks!!
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Originally Posted by redbull396
Could I cut the existing wire running to the purge, and run a new wire from the purge noid to my NX switch (that is a keyed power source) and put a relay in the new wire with a 5 amp fuse?
That sounds like a good idea.
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by redbull396
Yes the key is on the system is armed. I don't know if the purge is wired through a relay or not, I can't seem to find where it is.
When I run a hot wire from the battery it purges.
When I run a wire from the wire on the purge to the switch, and I flip the switch, it purges. So...there is a short somewhere in the existing wiring, I can't find it!! Remind you, I did not wire the car.
On the Zex kit, there is no relay for the purge. There kit does come with a fusible link that is supposed to be installed between the 12v power source and the switch. Reading the above testing you have done indicates that fuse is in that line and it is blown (or the power source connection point fuse in the fuse box is either blown or not making contact).
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nithros
On the Zex kit, there is no relay for the purge. There kit does come with a fusible link that is supposed to be installed between the 12v power source and the switch. Reading the above testing you have done indicates that fuse is in that line and it is blown (or the power source connection point fuse in the fuse box is either blown or not making contact).

I thought that too. However, everything hooked to that switch as well works. The power wire comes over from my arming switch and bottle heater, both of those work, also on there is my bottle opener which also works. With these other accessories working is why I was so stumped as to why the purge would not.

StngKlr...So running a new wire would work??
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Originally Posted by redbull396
I thought that too. However, everything hooked to that switch as well works. The power wire comes over from my arming switch and bottle heater, both of those work, also on there is my bottle opener which also works. With these other accessories working is why I was so stumped as to why the purge would not.

StngKlr...So running a new wire would work??
...but the purge has a separate switch than the others you mentioned - if you check the 12V source at the switch - is there power there? If so the switch must be bad.

My Zex kit has a 15 amp fuse in the purge.
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Originally Posted by Nithros
...but the purge has a separate switch than the others you mentioned - if you check the 12V source at the switch - is there power there? If so the switch must be bad.

My Zex kit has a 15 amp fuse in the purge.
It's an NX switch. The main power source runs to the first switch which is the arming switch that runs the MSD ws and the bottle warmer. There is a cross wire from that switch to the #2 switch that has the purge. There is another hot wire running to the 3rd switch that has the bottle opener.
When I leave the cross wire from the 1st switch arced to #2 and run a new wire from #2(purge) directly to the wire running out of the noid, it purges fine when the switch is pressed. So the switch is good. Would you suggest running a new wire like mentioned above? Thanks for the help!!!
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 12:06 PM
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Sounds like he put the fuse in the circuit from the switch to the purge (which is not where the instruction said to). I'm weak on electricty so I can't advise on the wire (other than saying make sure it's fused). The only reason I knew what I did was because I just put the same kit in my Z06 except with the nitrous outlet switch panel and I had previously put one (Zex) in my WS6.
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nithros
Sounds like he put the fuse in the circuit from the switch to the purge (which is not where the instruction said to). I'm weak on electricty so I can't advise on the wire (other than saying make sure it's fused). The only reason I knew what I did was because I just put the same kit in my Z06 except with the nitrous outlet switch panel and I had previously put one (Zex) in my WS6.
That's what I am thinking too, I just can't find it!! Anyhow, thanks for the help Nithros!!!

Anyone else want to let me know if it would be alright to cut my current wires and run a new one with a fuse???
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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If it were me I'd run the purge on a seperate circuit and/or relay altogether, just because if you were to ever have a problem down the road it would be eaiser to diagnose and fix, rather than going through this allover again. A didital volt meter has always been my best friend when it comes to wiring, did you get one yet? This is about as basic as it gets when it comes to DIY wiring, I think you will get it figured out. Let us know.
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