Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller???
Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? I posted this in another thread, but I don't know how many people will actually see it, so i started this one.
For any number 200shot and up, what would you say would be better way of running the system. Would you do a dual stage, or would you run it as one large shot through a direct port system using a programmable controller to soften the initial hit?
Unless you did a dry 1st stage/DP wet 2nd stage, the price is obviously on the high side for the DP on the controller, but is it safer/better? Thanks for any advice.
Chris
For any number 200shot and up, what would you say would be better way of running the system. Would you do a dual stage, or would you run it as one large shot through a direct port system using a programmable controller to soften the initial hit?
Unless you did a dry 1st stage/DP wet 2nd stage, the price is obviously on the high side for the DP on the controller, but is it safer/better? Thanks for any advice.
Chris
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Re: Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? If it were me I would go direct port with a controller. 2 stage systems are a little harder to tune they tend to run rich. This is just from my experince when you start trying to run big two stage kits it gets allot harder to make work and you start breaking parts because it runs too rich. Controllers if you get a good one are easier to deal with the only real down side is they are a little harder on the solenoids. If you have any questions just let me know.
Re: Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing. I know it's harder on teh solenoids, but it's all just maintenance that equals changing spark plugs and oil changes on cars being sprayed this much. any other thoughts?
Chris
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Re: Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? If you're going to do a 2 stage I would probably do the first satge dry and then shut that one off when you bring the second stage on. That way you don't get the typical rich condition you get when you stack systems. But I would use a direct port as your second stage.
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Re: Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? actually it would be up to you and what type of set up you want. the dual stage gives you added flexibility when spraying on the street on sat night.. or when spraying without good fuel in the car. as with Nitrous as a whole they are only as safe as the tune and the guy who installed it. when using a 200 shot worlds change as far a fuel requirements and such. if this is a track only car i would go progressed. the controller would not make it safer and as far as better goes again that is up to your use of the system.
by the question being asked i take it you have not played in this world before? (not insulting you) if so i would play with a little smaller shot and see what works best for you and your cars setup rather than stepping up to this level.. is the engine built for this power? what about drive train? are you aware of the changes in plugs, fuel, timing etc when going with this setup? all your ducks have to be in a row to run this level of power safely. If so and this is just the next step in your setup... i would leave your current setup alone and then add a second system and tune it then play with how the car reacts and see if you need a contoller or if the 2 stages work well enough for you.
Good Luck!! and keep us posted with your results.
Wes
by the question being asked i take it you have not played in this world before? (not insulting you) if so i would play with a little smaller shot and see what works best for you and your cars setup rather than stepping up to this level.. is the engine built for this power? what about drive train? are you aware of the changes in plugs, fuel, timing etc when going with this setup? all your ducks have to be in a row to run this level of power safely. If so and this is just the next step in your setup... i would leave your current setup alone and then add a second system and tune it then play with how the car reacts and see if you need a contoller or if the 2 stages work well enough for you.
Good Luck!! and keep us posted with your results.
Wes
Re: Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? I was planning on doing the DP/controller setup, not the 2stage. just seeing if one was better than the other in terms of tuning and fuel system setup.
In terms of my past experience, I've had the TNT wet kit, TNT dry kit, and NX wet kit on my '98 Z, so i got some experience, but the most i've ran was a 100 shot when i was a bolt on motor.
11.54 @ 116mph 1.58 60ft 3500lbs, Vig3200, lid, loudmouth, TNT wet
With the new motor going in, it can handle a lot larger shot, so that's why i'm asking. You could say i've never played in the "BIG LEAGUE SHOT" department Drivetrain is being beefed as we speak as well. I appreciate the recommendation of starting small though! Not too many people make sure of someones experience before making recommendations(i say this coming from the sportbike messageboards)
Chris
In terms of my past experience, I've had the TNT wet kit, TNT dry kit, and NX wet kit on my '98 Z, so i got some experience, but the most i've ran was a 100 shot when i was a bolt on motor.
11.54 @ 116mph 1.58 60ft 3500lbs, Vig3200, lid, loudmouth, TNT wet
With the new motor going in, it can handle a lot larger shot, so that's why i'm asking. You could say i've never played in the "BIG LEAGUE SHOT" department
Drivetrain is being beefed as we speak as well. I appreciate the recommendation of starting small though! Not too many people make sure of someones experience before making recommendations(i say this coming from the sportbike messageboards)Chris
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Re: Dual Stage vs. DP on a programmable controller??? Direct port with controller on seperate fuel system for the track. Small dry/wet kit depending on your prefrence for the street. There now you have the best of both worlds you can still go out on the street and play. Then when you go to the track you got what it takes to kick some ***.
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