Best Nitrous setup for me?
Im still not 100% sold on the dry yet, i like it on my vett because traction is limited, but the 125 shot in my vett hits less then the 75 shot in my cousins TA from Nitro daves plate kit.
any car with traction i would go with a plate kit. i only used nitro daves kit and have had great great luck with it (went 9.3 with 150 shot in my car this year one of the first track trips)
without traction i would say go dry,
any car with traction i would go with a plate kit. i only used nitro daves kit and have had great great luck with it (went 9.3 with 150 shot in my car this year one of the first track trips)
without traction i would say go dry,
My heavy *** terd has been on the bumper with a dry kit only.
We dont fog the lid like most guys do though.
My 150 shot made 125 to the wheels.
I still have a 150 dry for my 2nd stage, works great.
The 225 shot in the DP hits pretty good too!
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Only if GB installs it. haha
I was just saying they can hit hard like the wet kits do.
Has anyone fast used this HSW interface yet? How far can it be pushed?
Is it more for 50-200 shot cars?
If you order one right off the website it goes up to 315 hp shot. But you can custom order one for any sized shot you want.
Can it handle a 4 noid DP?
What about 2 stages? Do you need 2 controllers?
With all the problems I had with controllers last year I am hesitant to add more electronics. Sounds like a good product.
Does it work for SD? I dont have a MAF and I run a dry shot now.
What about 2 stages? Do you need 2 controllers?
With all the problems I had with controllers last year I am hesitant to add more electronics. Sounds like a good product.
Does it work for SD? I dont have a MAF and I run a dry shot now.
Im still not 100% sold on the dry yet, i like it on my vett because traction is limited, but the 125 shot in my vett hits less then the 75 shot in my cousins TA from Nitro daves plate kit.
any car with traction i would go with a plate kit. i only used nitro daves kit and have had great great luck with it (went 9.3 with 150 shot in my car this year one of the first track trips)
without traction i would say go dry,
any car with traction i would go with a plate kit. i only used nitro daves kit and have had great great luck with it (went 9.3 with 150 shot in my car this year one of the first track trips)
without traction i would say go dry,
Robert
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You sure your vette's dry hit is rated at the rw? It doesn't matter if it's a 125 dry or a 125 wet it will hit the same, basic physics. Put it on a dyno a 125rwhp shot is a 125rwhp shot, period, wet or dry. Al posted curves of this and they follow the exact same lines for power and tq.
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BTW I appreciate everyone's input. That HSW controller looks sweet and so does the bottle bracket. I am leaning toward the wet which is what I originally thought but I will continue to research before I choose.
Being relatively new to nitrous, I would make an educated guess that "wet hits harder" got started because it is/was easier to tune. This being said it was hitting harder because more wet kits were tuned properly (most anybody can change a jet). Guys doing dry, unless they spent a few hundred bucks on logging software (and did a bunch of research on tuning) and were willing to make their Cold Air Intakes look like pin cushions expiermenting with Nozzle positions really had no easy way to tune a dry hit without expensive Tuning Software or ruining their CAI.
My Dry shot is speed density now. Who needs an interface?
The more gizmos and gadgets you have the more that can go wrong. Found that out last year, keep it simple!
If your running a dry DP with a good sized shot I wouldnt rely on tricking the MAF to fuel it. JMO
Being relatively new to nitrous, I would make an educated guess that "wet hits harder" got started because it is/was easier to tune. This being said it was hitting harder because more wet kits were tuned properly (most anybody can change a jet). Guys doing dry, unless they spent a few hundred bucks on logging software (and did a bunch of research on tuning) and were willing to make their Cold Air Intakes look like pin cushions expiermenting with Nozzle positions really had no easy way to tune a dry hit without expensive Tuning Software or ruining their CAI.
All these wet shots are also closer to the valve.
Open your N20 bottle with your hand 1' away from it bet you cant hold it there long.
Open it with it 2' away, you can hold it there alot longer.
Also 90% of the dry guys are fogging the airlid.
Fog the lid from 2' away or aim a jet into the intake from 1' away which one do you think is going to make more power with the same jet?
Dry DP verus regular DP, I bet they make the same power, With the nossles in the same spot.
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You sure your vette's dry hit is rated at the rw? It doesn't matter if it's a 125 dry or a 125 wet it will hit the same, basic physics. Put it on a dyno a 125rwhp shot is a 125rwhp shot, period, wet or dry. Al posted curves of this and they follow the exact same lines for power and tq.
Robert
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the dry kit seems to take a second to accually "hit" id have to guess by mph that my car makes the power to the ground. 116 NA 128 on the spray,it must be making atleast 100 to the ground.
125 shot is 125 shot i understand that, but its like a DP system and a plate system on a carb style intake.
i thought the DP hit hard in my car, but my plate system hits much harded. seat of the pants that is. just seems to hit different.
dont get mad robert, im not doggin the dry lol
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Wayne you nailed that one on the head.. Thats what I am always saying as well. The simplier the set up the less can go wrong.
Great tech info. So by simplification, does that involve ADDING fuel noids? Just trying to understand the math involved there.
Guys,
We're not saying that the interface is the absolute BEST thing for EVERYONE and every application. We are simply bringing nitrous technology to new levels thus opening doors for people to run different set-ups. My apologies if this product does not work for your certain application. New stuff is already in the works...will these new controllers be for everyone? Simple answer is no, but it will however provide different avenues for people to pursue. And by no means am I saying that dry is better than wet etc...those are too vague of arguements to even pursue.
One thing worth mentioning is that the interface does have a built in safety feature that will not allow the system to activate if any anomily is seen in the system. For everyone still worried about "tricking" their MAF, I pose this question...How is this product "tricking" the MAF any differently than positioning the nozzle pre-maf? The only difference is that the Interface will shut the system down if something happens and you can tune your a/f to meet your needs with simple switches AND pull timing!
I'm sure this is going to turn into a giant pissing match, but I've said my piece and my apologies to the poster. If someone still feels the need to bash us some more and take their little jabs at us I have plenty of room in my PM box. Thanks.
Nick
will these new controllers be for everyone? Simple answer is no, but it will however provide different avenues for people to pursue. And by no means am I saying that dry is better than wet etc...those are too vague of arguements to even pursue.
The only difference is that the Interface will shut the system down if something happens and you can tune your a/f to meet your needs with simple switches AND pull timing!
Nick
The only difference is that the Interface will shut the system down if something happens and you can tune your a/f to meet your needs with simple switches AND pull timing!
Nick
I just dont see much use for it for some of us "hardcore" N20 guys.
When your spraying a 350-400 shot tricking the MAF, IAT and coolant temp sensors ,may not be the best way.
Is there any benifit to having this interface over your own tuning software?
I didnt mean to start a pissing contest.
I am a dry N20 believer, just rying to figure out if this thing can help me.
Most of the hardcore nitrous racers I know are using stand alone engine management. At that point, almost all of them except for one have built in provisions for dry nitrous use. Now for those that are using their own tuning solutions IE hp tuners, edit, etc. (with the exception of efi live) there is one huge advantage the Interface has...and that is you can tune for N/A and allow the Interface to correct your PCM when the nitrous is activated.
So just looking at a purely cost effective stand point...wouldn't it be nice to buy half the solenoids, half the hoses, etc?? No more constantly servicing solenoids due to swelling etc... No more headaches swapping a million and one jets... No more playing with fuel jets to correct a/f... Just a few flips of switches and you're on your way. Please, don't everyone jump down my throat at once...I'm just showing a few pros because they were asked for.
For you personally, there is no advantage with the interface as you're speed density...
No worries, it wasn't you that I was directing that towards. And technically its not "tricking" the sensors. The interface makes its adjustments via PCM. Since we did fully hijack this thread from the original poster, I would ask anyone that has more questions about the interface to post in the interface thread. Thanks.
Nick
So just looking at a purely cost effective stand point...wouldn't it be nice to buy half the solenoids, half the hoses, etc?? No more constantly servicing solenoids due to swelling etc... No more headaches swapping a million and one jets... No more playing with fuel jets to correct a/f... Just a few flips of switches and you're on your way. Please, don't everyone jump down my throat at once...I'm just showing a few pros because they were asked for.
For you personally, there is no advantage with the interface as you're speed density...
No worries, it wasn't you that I was directing that towards. And technically its not "tricking" the sensors. The interface makes its adjustments via PCM. Since we did fully hijack this thread from the original poster, I would ask anyone that has more questions about the interface to post in the interface thread. Thanks.
Nick
This sounds good for most people.
I just dont see much use for it for some of us "hardcore" N20 guys.
When your spraying a 350-400 shot tricking the MAF, IAT and coolant temp sensors ,may not be the best way.
Is there any benifit to having this interface over your own tuning software?
I didnt mean to start a pissing contest.
I am a dry N20 believer, just rying to figure out if this thing can help me.
I just dont see much use for it for some of us "hardcore" N20 guys.
When your spraying a 350-400 shot tricking the MAF, IAT and coolant temp sensors ,may not be the best way.
Is there any benifit to having this interface over your own tuning software?
I didnt mean to start a pissing contest.
I am a dry N20 believer, just rying to figure out if this thing can help me.
So as far as the "harder" hit goes, the closer the Dry shot is to the MAF -if one does have a MAF and is relying on it for fuel- then the "harder" it will hit. So slam that nozzle in there only 2"-3" away and it should hit "harder" then?
But lets say someone doesn't have the HSW Interface, instead they have HPTuners. Couldn't the AFR be adjusted via tuning the MAF in the similar manner that timing is pulled with a dry shot through tuning software?
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But lets say someone doesn't have the HSW Interface, instead they have HPTuners. Couldn't the AFR be adjusted via tuning the MAF in the similar manner that timing is pulled with a dry shot through tuning software?
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Last edited by Alt; Jan 9, 2008 at 02:54 PM.