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Old 07-29-2008, 03:59 AM
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Can I quickly do smth. now to repair this solenoid? I have drag event in 5 days...
Old 07-29-2008, 04:49 PM
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Kinda bad news, I guess... I've put the coil back on solenoid and checked it - it clicks and allows to blow through when it's open. Checked both lines - they look OK too. Bottle->solenoid line is harder to blow through then solenoid->nozzle, I guess that's because of length.
Unfortunately I don't know how hard or easy it should be to blow through lines, so can't really tell. But I would say, lines are OK.
Any more suggestions?
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Guys do you have any bright ideas? As all the hardware seems to be more or less OK...
Old 07-31-2008, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Vetal
Guys do you have any bright ideas? As all the hardware seems to be more or less OK...
Do you have an air compressor? If so, I might try forcing air through the system to unclog anything that might be restricting flow. It is really difficult to advise because it is likely something really simple. These systems aren't complicated.


Is it possible that the low compression engine just doesn't respond to the juice? I know it doesn't make sense, but i am running out of ideas. Can you take some pictures of your nozzle placement? What is your A/F like on the spray. Just check the basics again to make sure you didn't overlook something silly.
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I think I'll take picture of nozzle placement... Might also take a video of opening solenoid to atmosphere (although there is only 450psi now in the bottle).
Old 07-31-2008, 12:04 PM
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At what pressure should I refill the bottle?
Old 07-31-2008, 01:25 PM
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What is the correct orientation of the bottle? Mine doesn't look like inDynotune instructions. I installed mine with pressure gauge pointing up, ports pointing sideways. I think label on th bottle is not pointing up... I'll check soon
Here's some crappy pic, although on the pic bottle is vertical. Normally it is at ~30 degrees angle laying in the spare wheel well.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:52 PM
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id go through all my connections and get the teflon tape off my fittings and redo the NPT fittings with paste and leave the AN fittings alone. id bet good money you got a clog from the tape, or your noids arent working correctly due to a clog.
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All connections are checked, there was no tape hanging anywhere How much $$$$ did I just win?

I think my bottle orientation was wrong, waiting for nitrous gurus to confirm/deny it.
Here it is as it sits in the wheel well
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feed line down, heal of bottle toward the rear of the car. If you're running it sideways, must be angled and slightly twisted so heal of bottle is more towards the rear of car.
This was my bottle in my c5 coupe. It's perpendicular to the car.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:21 PM
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Low comp motor and juice? Im a non nitrous guru but dont u want a little more comp? Any way the bottle should be at a angle where the pick up tube should be in the lowest point in the bottle. Ie a 45 degree angle or less or more. My boy just did trial and error on his and I belive its at a 40 degree angle.
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question is, where is pickup tube on my bottle
It sits parallel to the car, I was running it with main line pointing right, blowdown pointing left and bottle label pointing to the left. I think it was wrong.
Anyways, I weighed the bottle and it was 16lbs (so only 1.3lbs of nitrous left). Refilled it today (installed blow-down adapter, thanx to Dynotune), somewhy they could put only 8.7lbs in it. Will test in the evening
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Originally Posted by Vetal
There was no knock retard. If it was present, I would know what's the problem
Do not tune nitrous by nock sensors! pull the correct timming. ~ 3 deg fro 100 shot but start with 4.
Old 08-01-2008, 07:30 AM
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good point, thanx on the topic of tuning in general, how should I tune the timing, taking into account that I'm not a pro and can't hear knock from one mile distance?
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Originally Posted by Vetal
good point, thanx on the topic of tuning in general, how should I tune the timing, taking into account that I'm not a pro and can't hear knock from one mile distance?
Have we found the problem yet?
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Originally Posted by landonew
Have we found the problem yet?
Bottle was rotated 90 degrees from the optimal position, I think that affected the most. Although I didn't have 100HP hit also on full bottle, where I suppose tube should still pick up nitrous.
I'll test the system with freshly filled bottle (although 8.7lbs only) tonight or tomorrow.
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Further tests postponed until tomorrow because my wideband is on the Silvia now, and I don't want to spray even 50Hp shot without it
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got a dyno nearby???? Gtech's can be WAAAAAAY off......

and NEVER put paste or tape on any AN fitting.... just the NPT pipe fitting sides get tape. Hell I don't even put tape or paste on fittings that don't see pressure (like the fittings AFTER the solenoid)

Tape is not bad IF you install it correctly about 1/16th from the top most thread.....
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I know people say GTechs are inaccurate, I could never see why. Both my GTechs (one was stolen) were very accurate (to <1 mph in 1/4). GTech certainly will not show only 30whp when there was 70. I just know how it's readings correlate with Mustang dyno and dragstrip, but what's more important, GTech is very consistant. So if I adjust timing and gain 5whp, I know my changes were good. GTech really is very handy tuning device if you play around with your setup a lot, cause 6 dyno sessions per month would certainly be expensive even for you US guys, and much more so here, in Latvia.

I don't really know what is AN and NPT fittings? From instructions I assumed NPT is just straight thread, and AN is conical. I'm sure I didn't use tape on any conical fitting.
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I run a 100 dry shot, (.051 jet), pre-MAF. Depending where in the rpm range I spray it, it feels slight or dramatic. At high rpm, not much 3500-4500 hits big time. I have been averaging 1.1 and 10-11mph. All is well so far..



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