What wideband would u guys reccomend? I just started looking at some and looking for best value, any info is appreciated.

 

NTK/AFX is my vote

 

ditto... I like mine.

 

I've had good luck with the PLX stuff

 

If It's for a permanent install, I have no complaints about Innovate. If using a gauge, I'd suggest an analog gauge over a digital.

Mike

 

I use an Innovate LC-2 with digital gauge to monitor my closed-loop SD tune to see if the AFR drifts too much during daily-driving duty. I use HP Tuners-Pro to log the WB when tuning. Works really well.

 

I'm using the Innovate on my drag bike for wide band and other data logging and like it so far.

 

I'm using the Innovate on my Camaro, have it tied to my Hptuners so I can log it. Been really happy with it.

 

Thanks for all the input I will have to keep researching it, unfortunately my hp tuners is the non pro version so no dedicated input for the wideband, thinking maybe I should look into upgrading it/selling it and buying the pro version. Anyone have input on using the non pro version of hp tuners vs the pro? Have heard of some using the ac or egr input as a way to log the wideband but not sure that is accurate.

 

You absolutely need to upgrade to the pro to integrate the wide-band. Or you need a wide-band that logs with engine RPM. The work-arounds to use the regular HP Tuners with a wide-band are less than elegant. And I wouldn't trust the results.

 

Your WB just needs a 0-5v reference and can be linked to your Standard version. I used the EGR for reference when I had the Standard version years ago, you can also use the AC as both of those use a 5v referenced scale. What you will loose is HP's ability to log resolution. The data collected using a AC or EGR connection to feed signal to the logger will be a little slower. Unless you are a serious racer, working that cutting edge to get every ounce of power from your build, I do not see the Pro being as "case all to end all" as some will argue. Don't get me wrong, I think the higher res is nice yes, but I really don't see it as being as necessary as some will lead you to believe.
Having the ability to use the EIO section of your programmer is the "cats ***" though when you have to use a PYRO or EGT set up in your ride. EGT's are key when you get into diesels, you cannot tune one without it IMO...
Your Standard HP, along with a good quality WB and proper knowledge on how to read your plugs, will net you a really solid and safe tune. The WB is going to give you the Lambda you are aiming for, but what you are aiming for is not necessarily right! Until you get to the track, and make a pass on new plugs, shut down at end of pass, tow back to pit and pull em, there is no other way to know its 100% right. Others may have ideas to toss in the ring here, just my 2-cnts on it. Another quick tip on WB usage for you as well, right from the get-go, work in Lambda, work in Lambda, work in Lambda(lol) Just about every WB has a different stoich reading programmed when you work in AFR. The NTK/AFX for example is set to read 14.57AFR on the digital box when logging, yet stoich for the fuel you are using will be 14.7 for gas or 14.12 for 10%E and so on. This is where Lambda is the way to go. No matter what you burn Lambda is Lambda... you aim for 1 Lambda and you are dead nuts every time and no guess work.

 

I find the resolution of the pro to be a huge asset, especially when doing an SD-only tune when you need your VE table to be very, very precise. I agree entirely about using Lambda to tune. Lambda is the ONLY way to go in my opinion.