Stupid gov't
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From: Yelm, Wa
Well guys this is what you get when someone post something & tells you to talk to your Reps about saying NO to it. I posted this back last month & several of you guys said Hey this will not effect us. OH well.
But what the bill is not saying is that all cars currently in use have to pass Emissions standards.
& that when Calif changes its laws we change ours to match theirs. Calif right now is trying to get rid of the 25yr loop hole (if you got a car that is 25yrs or older you luck out)
But what the bill is not saying is that all cars currently in use have to pass Emissions standards.
& that when Calif changes its laws we change ours to match theirs. Calif right now is trying to get rid of the 25yr loop hole (if you got a car that is 25yrs or older you luck out)
Originally Posted by NautyAngel
The above statements are exactly the kind of lacadasical attitude that those on the other side and the politicians who get something out of the deal are hoping for and love!
"As long as they don't try to make it retro, I think we're OK." And what happens if the DO use this base law to make it retro ? Then it is YOUR problem.
You CANNOT wait until something becomes your problem ... you need to act BEFORE it becomes your problem. It is SO easy to say "let someone else worry about it", but if you do that then you have NO ROOM to bitch when suddenly it is knocking on your doorstep. This same attitude is alot of what has gotten our government so crooked and screwed up, because it just wasnt "our problem".
You CANNOT wait until something becomes your problem ... you need to act BEFORE it becomes your problem. It is SO easy to say "let someone else worry about it", but if you do that then you have NO ROOM to bitch when suddenly it is knocking on your doorstep. This same attitude is alot of what has gotten our government so crooked and screwed up, because it just wasnt "our problem".
Here you have misunderstood me, and this is NOT true at all. This same community had FOUGHT for many things .... yes, saying "the children" .... and lost because it either did not benefit the reps involved or there was enought of an opposition screaming louder to make the reps believe that this would make their constituents happy, thus ensuring them another term (sounds jaded, yes, but often as not its true). Those who initiated and backed this bill never ONCE thought about "the children" ... they never "used" this "angle" ... the parents who are concerned on such subjects picked it up because they spend alot of time examining what bills are coming up, then THEY - the parents - started pushing it as a good bill.
btw: that is not aimed at you, its one of those "in general you/they/them" statements.
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From: Moxee, WA
Originally Posted by GEARHED
btw: that is not aimed at you, its one of those "in general you/they/them" statements.
I am pretty disgusted with the sittuation ... I see a group of parents who have done some really important things - next year I won't have to search the fine print anymore to know if a can of spaghetti-o's will kill my kid or not, and when he goes to school he will be able to carry those things that will keep him alive to come home; yes this is close to home for me. But these same people, just like any parent, but especially parents of special needs children, can be zealots. They see emissions and read "cleaner air" whether it is true or not.I get so fired up when I see the "not my problem" or "let someone else do it" attitude because I have been shown that you CAN make a difference. It is also hard for me because - as you can see - I am definitely on both sides of this specific issue.
Originally Posted by ram-it
It can't get any worse than it already is. She can spend it like no tomorrow.
First is piercing, then a tat and then a car.
No other order to do it than that
my specialty is corruption on a grand scale
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Just a question...sorry that I did not read the entire thread. 
What do the folks in California do with all those old cars to get away with being able to use them, no cats, no nothing, are they all smog legal.
What do the folks in California do with all those old cars to get away with being able to use them, no cats, no nothing, are they all smog legal.
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From: Monroe, Washington
Originally Posted by Todd2001SS
Just a question...sorry that I did not read the entire thread.
What do the folks in California do with all those old cars to get away with being able to use them, no cats, no nothing, are they all smog legal.
What do the folks in California do with all those old cars to get away with being able to use them, no cats, no nothing, are they all smog legal.
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From: Moxee, WA
I don't know how or if things have changed since I lived there, but I know that even then ('89-90) there were alot of laws like only being able to have straight pipes or glass packs on a car that came off the line with them. Just because a car was made before cats did not mean you were free to let is rust out or mod as you wish ... they also had laws about how low a car could be (4"), how dark the tint, how loud ... on and on.
Anyway, like Steph said, there were always corrupt inspectors who would pass a car!
Anyway, like Steph said, there were always corrupt inspectors who would pass a car!
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Originally Posted by Todd2001SS
Just a question...sorry that I did not read the entire thread.
What do the folks in California do with all those old cars to get away with being able to use them, no cats, no nothing, are they all smog legal.
What do the folks in California do with all those old cars to get away with being able to use them, no cats, no nothing, are they all smog legal.
So, what does this mean for the people who have vehicles that were made prior to 1975 when emissions standards were first put into effect? From what I understand, they can now no longer register their vehicles because there exist no emissions standards for them to be measured against. The owner of the exhaust shop I was at had to get his 60-something Vette registered in a different state under his brother's name and address so that he could still drive it around.
Gotta love Kalifornia.
