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10-11-2005, 09:33 PM
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Yes, for some reason the GTOs under-perform when you consider they have the same basic setup. My TA dynoed higher tho when it was stock, and yet came rated 30hp lower. It also ran a second faster with 3.23 gears, and the GTO hs 3.40s. But when you see what Ryan did, and Ellis & I did to the GTOs with just an air filter & a quick tune, I think the GTOs can run low 13s without much effort.
But the fact is an IRS is designed for corners, not drag racing. You can make it work, but like Ryan said, it's got too many moving parts. And it flexes a lot too, which as we all know results in power loss. Any energy not spent going forward.....
But the fact is an IRS is designed for corners, not drag racing. You can make it work, but like Ryan said, it's got too many moving parts. And it flexes a lot too, which as we all know results in power loss. Any energy not spent going forward.....
10-11-2005, 10:58 PM
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Well, lets see, EXACT same engine yet GM Rates the F-body lower... Its all in sales my friend. The Vette and F-body cars have the same HP. I would say that the F-body actually has a better air intake system but the vette has a better exhaust sytem so its pretty much a draw in engine HP/TQ. Gm rated the F-body lower so it wouldn't upset the vette guys. Plain and Simple. The Vette does have more drive-train loss though, any time the rotation has to change direction, its a loss. CV joints/U-joints, Count those as the prime contributor. F-body 2, Vette 4, Easy math.
Sounds like someone needs to ride in the baby seat............. 
Just having some fun with you Ryan.
Just having some fun with you Ryan.
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10-11-2005, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 00Vette
Interesting
To the APS crew, I wasn't aware that it was a test of the drivetrain! I still don't agree with that kind of driving around those areas. Thats why tracks are made isn't it?..........that and to legally have some fun.
To the APS crew, I wasn't aware that it was a test of the drivetrain! I still don't agree with that kind of driving around those areas. Thats why tracks are made isn't it?..........that and to legally have some fun.
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10-11-2005, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan K
Personnaly I don't see his point at all? I wasn't complaining, I was just noting how you guys would get your panties in a buch if GM rated the F-Bodies and the Vettes at the same HP level.
Ryan
Ryan
I personally think you are correct with the ratings. However they are two completely different platforms built for different reasons........ I was just weirded out by the simple fact that the GTO's aren't performing like I would have thought or hoped they would. The IRS (I think) is the culpret.
Damn nice cars though! 
10-11-2005, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
We at APS always look for very quiet roads with normal undulating off cambered road conditions (real everyday road conditions), that said one needs to be extremely careful and very aware of other other cars and wild life in the area.
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I never thought of that.
Good point...........that's why I don't own a performance shop building turbos and high hp vehicles.
10-12-2005, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 00Vette
I never thought of that. Good point...........that's why I don't own a performance shop building turbos and high hp vehicles.
Good point...........that's why I don't own a performance shop building turbos and high hp vehicles. 
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10-12-2005, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
That's cool. I just wanted you guys to know that we are very careful when testing and that our engineers need real world road conditions to test all aspects of the car/twin turbo system to make sure we find and rectify any potential problem that could arise from harsh road conditions (rough, bumpy, flooded road conditions).
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10-12-2005, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
That's cool. I just wanted you guys to know that we are very careful when testing and that our engineers need real world road conditions to test all aspects of the car/twin turbo system to make sure we find and rectify any potential problem that could arise from harsh road conditions (rough, bumpy, flooded road conditions).
Peter
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Have you guys considered taking one of your test mules to an Open Road Race event? That would give you the 'real world' road conditions you are looking for, in a relatively safe environment, with some press if you perform well. Just a thought....
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10-12-2005, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
I agree, and basically have been saying the same for some time. Look at the engine specs-same. It's the factory rating, Corvette has allways been the top performer, so...
God, I laughed my azz off. (sorry Ryan)
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God, I laughed my azz off. (sorry Ryan)
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10-12-2005, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WAHUSKER
Peter,
Have you guys considered taking one of your test mules to an Open Road Race event? That would give you the 'real world' road conditions you are looking for, in a relatively safe environment, with some press if you perform well. Just a thought....
Mark
Have you guys considered taking one of your test mules to an Open Road Race event? That would give you the 'real world' road conditions you are looking for, in a relatively safe environment, with some press if you perform well. Just a thought....
Mark
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10-13-2005, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
We often hit the race track for full load engine testing though this imho does not simulate typical roads which tend to be undulating with pot holes and off cambered road conditions. I prefer quiet country roads which offer variable road conditions for real testing, thanks for your thoughts in any event.
Peter
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10-17-2005, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Crisisman
Alright, that does it, my goal for next year is to beat the BMF!!! 5/100ths of a freakin' second. If only I had been able to get today off. 
Now you have motivation I was thinking about it the other day. When I borrowed your helmet at the track there was no way that I could post a faster time that day. It would have been bad karma... LOL I had to wait and do it the right way I guess.
I really don't see you having a problem with getting back in front of the truck.
10-20-2005, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KrautBurner
so I just realized,
I'm the fastest GTO in the Northwest !!!
and I have the slowest 60'
dose that mean that my car is faster, and I'm just a crappy driver?
I have the MPH by a good bit
Russ
10-20-2005, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KrautBurner
it should be,
I'm full of wheel hop,
you have all that weight to hold you down (and all 4 wheels going)
I'm full of wheel hop,
you have all that weight to hold you down (and all 4 wheels going)
and here come the excuses... LOL
I have nearly double the weight and plenty of traction problems with the front axle... next case
LOL