He's from Bellingham and last I heard he was getting close. You can race my raggedy assed Chevelle when I break it in.

 

Forge the bottle, go get yourself a good cam. Its like having the bottle all the time. If he didnt pull on you very bad a mid size cam would have at least kept you door to door with him.

 

well I'm lookin at the torquer 2 232/234, .595"/.598", 112 LSA (or is the overlap too much for nitrous?) and when I do to the stroker probably the Magic Stick v.3 237/242, .603"/.609", 113 LSA. What about the 233/239 v.2 233/239, .598"/.603", 113 LSA

 

A 232/234 on a 346 LS1? DAMN BOY!!!!! Talk about having some lope in your idle.

 

LOL you can use the MS3 on a stock cube motor too it clears stock pistons

 

MS3????

I didn't say ya couldn't use it, just said it would have a wicked lope. And would take some serious skills (ala Ellis) at tuning it so you could drive it without stalling out all the time I would think.

 

Magic Stick v.3 hehe yeah but I won't mind that... be a little less docile than it is now

 

Not going to get into to much here but dont get all caught up on peak hp numbers by the supposed better bigger cams. One person stated that a good cam is like nitrous all the time. Agreeable there but be careful with what cam your going with. What good is the hp if it comes to high in the rpm cycle? Sure if your going to be at the track all the time and running the car at 6k plus rpms you'll benefit from the big cam but if your looking at a daily driver think differently. Even before my heads my cam out put pulled the famed FM13 all the way to 5800 rpms. I say this again because its hp and tq all in the usable range of daily driving. The fm13 is like a 232/230 or something and yet it does not produce the power until over 6000 rpms. TSP cams have never produced as well as the others either. Look at dyno's and do a lot of research before you slect a cam. Then look at having a custom cam ground as well, its only $150 more than an off the shelf cam. People get caught up in the bigger is better, but ist not always the case. It's all dependant upon the use. high stall track= big cam , daily driver = mid range or smaller cam (it gives more power).

 

Well tell him to hurry up! He said it was going to be finished like 4 months ago. I know how that goes though.

You know I'm always down to race you or whoever. Just give me a call, man!

 

yeah the reason I was going with the torquer mostly was after talking with TSP it's what they recommended for road course/auto-x work because of the bottom end on it to pull out of the corners. I'll probably end up going with a custom cam

 

Good call on the custom cam. Just figure out what you want to do with the car and then match alll the other parts to that goal.

 

Talk to Alan Futral... he'll set you up with a nice cam for your needs, and they go through Cam Motion for their grinds.

When I talked to Alan, I told him I had the TSP 231/237 and was looking for a cam that peaked a little bit earlier, carried the rpms just as far, had at least the same peak HP if not a little more, and produce a better torque curve.

He suggested the F13... after the dyno, it did EXACTLY what he said it would. Produced 5-10 rwhp more than the 231/237 at peak, it peaked at 6100 rpms instead of 6300, it carried the powerband from there to 7k without significant loss, and produced a better torque curve (15 more rwtq or so).

The man knows his stuff, that's for sure...

 

While I agree with you about the cam comparisons the fm13 still doesnt produce as much torque as the tr224 or hp under the curve. For all the talk about the fm13 its not any better unless your running it above 5800 rpms. Is he going to run his car at that rpm? If he is then the fm13 is a good cam for that use but if he's not looking for a number on a signature and wants usable power on the street then the tr224 on a 112 lsa is the way to go. Even at the track it produces 12.2 in a cam only car w/stall. One of your members on your list of times. Thats why the question.. what are you doing with the car? Heck you can go with an fm13 its almost as good as a tr224 on street, but not quite.

 

It all depends on the setup, dude... its hard to compare cars unless they have exactly the same setup, run at the exact same time, in the exact same conditions, with the exact same driver. I'd be willing to bet that the same car with a 224 cam would run faster with an F13 cam in it, all things being equal. In fact, if someone wants to do the R&R work, I'd be more than happy to test that theory... run my car with a 224 at the track, then run it with the F13 and compare, without changing anything else to the setup.

But you are right, its what you want to do with the car... do you want a mean idle, do you want a cam that will peak over 6000 rpms and has the ability to carry those rpms to 7k with no drop off? Do you have the need for something like that? Do you plan on having ported heads in the future, which will extend the benefit of the bigger cam?

 

Thats why I said earlier if its a track car (1/4) mile then ok fm13 or bigger, but if its a street car then its not better. Thats why I said what are you doing with the car. As far as comparision the best I can do is a 2001 vs a 99 both with p+p'ed 5.3 heads. both cars have similar mods and the tr224 is the better cam until 5600rpms is the comparison I have it doesnt go past that. here an example at 4000 rpms the tr224 is producing 288hp and 377 tq while the fm13 is giving 270 hp and 355 tq. Both cars on the same dyno within a wekk or so of each other. You can factor all you want for atmosphere and it still wont account for that difference. The fm13 tq is max 372 where the tr224 is 385 as well. Your right though, at 6000 rpms and above the fm13 kicks butt as far as hp goes but still doesnt produce as much torque anywhere in the rpm range. At 2700 rpms the tr224 has 331tq and the fm 13 has 313. hp is 170 and 163. tr224 3500 rpms its hp 245 tq 369 fm13 at 227 and 341. at 5000 rpms its 368 and 387 vs 354 and 372. at 5600 rpms its closer and this is where the fm13 takes over in hp shortly after but never in tq 395 and 371 vs 390 and 365. Now you can drive your car in that rpm range to get the hp to beat the tr224 on the street but with gas prices and cops and the reality of driving your car at 6000 rpms all day would be kind of silly. But as stated at the track it is a different story if you've built the car to handle 6k luanches. Your right if I was building a track car only I'd go with a totally different cam.