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Old 06-03-2006 | 05:20 PM
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well...words cannot explain how happy i am graduation and my birthday happen to be in the same month. basically...
long story short im up about $2 grand right now and i only plan on spending about $1500 towards my car...these are the mods i was thinking of doing..

valvetrain: TR 224 cam/TSP 224, 918 springs, hardened push rods, LS2 timing chain
*since i wont be spraying often i dont know if i should go with a split duration cam
**Chances are ill order one of the package deals from TSP or TR which go for like $500..

suspension: UMI subframe con.,possibly a torque arm, relocation brackets for my LCAs

Nitrous: nos 5177 kit (dry) *or* the Harris Speed Works dry kit.


now i need some suggestions..do you think this is a good route to follow? i was also contemplating on a H/C combo...but i dont know if i want THAT much power 24/7..i like the idea behind the cam+n20 because if i run N/A ill be around like 370+ RWHP...then with n20 ill be over 400rwhp easily..i want this car to be daily driveable and have power when i want it. i want my motor to be reliable and not have a risk of braking parts...but i know thats part of the game, and it all depends on how it was installed and cared for, i understand that.

**IF i do go n20 i will most likely be getting a new fuel pump, and possibly injectors and colder plugs...

and following all the mods will come a tune..


any comments, suggestions, construction criticism would be GREATLY appreciated..thank you!

(my car currently has the following: Pacesetter LTs, TSP catted Y, Hooker C/B, March U/D pulley, Nitto 555rIIs, UMI LCAs + Panhard)

-Joey

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Old 06-03-2006 | 06:10 PM
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A cam is a good way to go. Just make sure that you get the cam that will work for you! If you do a cam, you might want to look at changing your oil pump as well since you will be right there.

Also, what kind of tuner are you planning on? Do you have one already? If not you will DEFINITELY want to get one before you install your cam. I ran my FM11 cam with the boxed Predator tune for a month before I got a custom tune, and it was rough.

Otherwise it looks good man.
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i will for sure want a custom tune, not a hand held one..
Old 06-03-2006 | 07:31 PM
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I would look into HPTuners or EFI Live both run about ~$500 I think.

Anything more than bolt-ons and my car was screaming for some tuning.
Old 06-03-2006 | 11:04 PM
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For $1500 in spending I would do it differently. I would buy a set of heads and a cam from TSP and tell them you only have $1500 to spend. They will work with you on pricing. You dont have all that power 24/7 with a h/c combo. Its there if you want to use it but its not like your stepping on the gas and getting boost. You go WOT and you'll feel the full effect. IMHO a good h/c setup is much more safer for the car and reliable than an n20 setup and I have both. You could get 440 rwhp with h/c for $1500. My n2o setup cost me $1500+ alone.
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He's got $1500 to spend, not $1500 to spend on parts and $1k to spend on install
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exactly......i might need to wait til the end of summer..
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He didnt say install had to be included (did he?). If this is the case your SOL. $1500 wont do much for you. And I would still buy heads and cam together. Reason being is your springs and titanium retainers will already come on the heads.
A beginning level n2o kit will cost $500 and you'll have to spend a lot more for all the safety features and convienances as well. Doing the installation yourself is the best way to save a boat load of money. Its not hard to do and I would highly recommend it. Get a few friends together to help you. If you were close to me I'd give you a hand, but in order for me to get up there it would cost a bunch of money in gas. I'm sure you can find a few volunteers to help you out. Then you go to Ellis for your tune. Having a heads and cam wont mean a thing unless its tuned properly.
Plusyou'll need to look a few more things once your at an upper power level. Your stock clutch wont last long and your 10 bolt might have some issues develope.
Good luck.
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this car will probably RARELY/NEVER see the track, and i wont be launching it. so hopefully the 10 bolt will last, and yes i have some friends that could help me with the n20 install. i would probably just get my cam, springs etc.. installed. Basically this car will be cam only. Right now i could spend $2K if i wanted, but i dont. in the next week or so ill be making some decent money.


OOOORRRR

i could go heads/cam too..this decision sucks
jesus..i should just go H/C huh?
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so if i did go H/C i would be spending like $1000 on the TSP LS6 heads, then like $500+ on valvetrain...so again i hit my $1500 goal..now how much do you think installation on that would cost? Would TSP really work on the pricing?????
i wouldnt be able to save any money on the install cause i wouldnt wana mess something up.

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Damn LSx stuff is so cheap.. Talk to Ellis about the install, I think he can do it for ~800 but don't quote me on that.
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haha i hope your being sarcastic... its expensive to me
ellis please feel free to chime in here i woud love the here your opinion!
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I'm open and cheap as it's side work for me. You may want to PM John B about some heads as he has a couple nice sets and may still have a LS6 oil pump. Like you said a nive valve train package would be a good way to go.

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Originally Posted by sidewayz28
so if i did go H/C i would be spending like $1000 on the TSP LS6 heads, then like $500+ on valvetrain...so again i hit my $1500 goal..now how much do you think installation on that would cost? Would TSP really work on the pricing?????
i wouldnt be able to save any money on the install cause i wouldnt wana mess something up.
No your money is off here. The TSP heads will have the valvetrain upgrades you need minus the pushrods which you can get from them. ( I wasted a little money here by buying the cam kit w/918's) and then the heads.(heads will come with upgraded valve springs or they should) You can shop for a used cam or just tell TSP what you want and tell them I sent you and you really need them to work with you on the price. They will. Trust me they want to sell parts and will make you a deal you cant turn down. If I were you I'd buy the heads from TSP and look for a used tr224 112 lsa. You can save at least half on the used cam and that tr224 will give you a kick on da streets. Others will say an fm13. You just need to do the work yourself. It really isnt difficult when your going with a combination thats been used a 100 times already.
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You could just go with an n2o kit, injectors and a racetronix for around $1000-$1500 depending on the bells and whistles you choose. Paying for installation just takes mod money away. I did what I could myself and paid a pro for the important stuff.
Example: No way I would try doing my own rear-end re-build. Get something wrong there and the thing locks up at say 70 mph.. you wind up in the pucker brush hoping to be alive

Honestly w/$1500 in your pocket you can do h/c these days and have a great DD thats kicks some butt. Put the n2o on later when you have another $1500 to spend.

May the mod gods be with you!
Old 06-05-2006 | 08:59 PM
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wow you guys are persuasive
i really wouldnt mind a N/A car with 400+ rwhp #s.
99Blanco- i checked their site again for the TSP LS6 heads and they come with "Standard LS6 springs" rated for .550". And i believe the 224's lift is .563/.563 so i would NEED springs that could extra the extra lift right??? (im no expert with valvetrain)(or cars period..) and there wouldnt be much of a difference with 112 LSA then 114 LSA besides sound would there? would the 112 pull a little harder up top??
and if i did go with the TSP LS6 heads is the $100 Valve job worth it????

11sec: hey thanks for the comment, i PMed you and John B thanks for your help!
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Sent you a PM...
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so these 6.0 L heads will fit fine on our stock blocks? would anything else be needed to support these heads? ill probably go check em out soon..
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Fit just fine...you will just need to get some rockers and hardened pushrods. He may even have some pushrods.
Old 06-06-2006 | 04:58 PM
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the stock 1.7s wont fit?? what would i need 1.8s?
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I would call them and see what kind of deal they'll give ya. Tell them you want their PRC doubles w/tit ret's. They are standard on their 5.3 stage 2.5 heads. Which are only $1200. Then get a used tr224 or cam of your choice and all you need is pushrods and a gasket kit. An oil pump is recommended as well. You'll be pushing your 1500 limit all the way and maybe a little more, but it will be well worth it.


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