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03-19-2007, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WAHUSKER
Like a detector will protect you from one of those hand held zappers.....around the corner & over the hill....where they always sit.....after your silenced it for false triggering the 27th time. I'm a non-believer. The race is in your lane buddies.
The only time they really don't work is when you are the lone car on the road and they are using the point and click trigger style. My experience around here is only 10% do that. the rest leave the radar on 24/7.
My buddy just got the 9500i and loves it. So that one or the V1 are the only two good one's I'd upgrade to. I have the Passport 8500
03-19-2007, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rottluver
Ya know what people? I have said this before and I will say it again. There are no ******* QUOTAS!!!!!!! It is PROHIBITED BY FEDERAL FREAKING LAW to have anything remotely close to a quota!!! And I have no idea what this "it is near the end of the month" bullshit is about.......we are not talking about a car dealership that has end of the month revenues/sales/etc to worry about. 
Boyce was going 15 MPH over and because the guy was able to pre fill out some of the ticket without needing all his info, a lot of you folks just automatically presume it is all about revenue. I could fill out a large portion of the vehicle info on most cars because in those days I was very knowledgable about the various cars on the street at that time. It just isn't that difficult. Year, make, model, color, license plate and registered owner info........pretty easy to do for a late model F-Body if the cop even has slight knowledge about the car.
For the last time, the issuing agency gets LESS then 15% of the amount of the violation.......and that money has to pay for the officer, his training, the bike/car, his equipment, insurance, maintenance on the equipment and vehicle, the radar equipment, etc. Add it up and see how far $15 out of every $100 gets you. I can tell you where, NOWHERE!!!!!!!
The dude in this case was on a motorcycle which means his PRIMARY job is traffic enforcement, ie; writing citations. Boyce was going 15MPH over the limit cuz he was late for something and you people all want to blame the evil cop and the crooked system.
I worked traffic for 2 1/2 years and was never "told, encouraged, suggested to" or given anything remotely resembling an order to write X number of tickets during any time frame. As a traffic cop (motor cop, etc) my (and their) primary job is to enforce traffic laws and write tickets to violaters. Agencies get complaints ALLLLL the time from citizens about speeders or stop sign runners or whatever in certain areas, so enforcement is beefed up there but no one is told, "write x number of tickets or else". It just doesn't happen. I was also close friends with numerous motor cops in my Agency and other ones and since it was their job to respond to accidents, arrest DUI's and write tickets, that is what they do. Period. There is no conspiracy, no quotas, nothing.
Rick, I like you but you are talking out your ***.
I worked for 2 different Agencies, I know people that work for dozens of different agencies and my old man runs one here and has worked for several others and not one has had a flippin quota. Not ONE!!!!!! Even my friend at Seattle PD verified that they don't have quotas.
Y'all don't want a ticket, don't speed, leave earlier and drive safely. I have managed to not get pulled over in the 2 years I have been here because I pay attention and I don't speed. Before that, the only times I was stopped in California was for tinted side windows, which is a violation there. It has been over 10 years since I was stopped for anything other then a mechanical violation and those times I was stopped for speeding or whatever, I deserved it.
A lot of you routinely admit to driving over 100 MPH, racing, speeding, etc yet you are the first ones to bitch and whine about getting in trouble for it and call names (pig, bacon, etc) to the cop who was merely doing his job and a lot of you sound like you had your civil liberties violated because you got caught. If you don't want the ticket, don't speed or break the law. It is reallllllllly simple. 
Rick, the average cop who has more then a couple years on the street is making over $20/hour. His car costs over 30 grand, his training is another 30 grand or more, hiring people to keep his vehicle maintained is another $12-15+/hour, the paperwork the tickets are printed on are not free, gas ain't cheap, the equipment (gun, vest, uniforms, etc) are not free either. That 15% MAX that a Dept gets from writing a ticket doesn't come close to covering the amount spent by having that officer out there. Your "ticket revenue generating quota's" excuse doesn't hold water given the amount of money it costs to keep officers on the street, trained and supplied.
And for those of you who will doubtlessly ramble on about some random small town agency, think about it......a small town isn't usually brimming with crime so to occupy the oficer's time, he will do traffic enforcement, along with 8 million other things that we have to do each day, including responding to calls from people like you guys who need us and bitch that we weren't there fast enough, didn't catch some crime and keep it from occurring, etc. We are never there fast enough to suit the general public and despised when we are around and visible (writing tickets). It is a lose-lose proposition. The laws are there because politicians made them and your average street cop enforces all laws at his discretion..........Boyce got a 33 1/3% break on his speed, which will help him out if found guilty with his insurance. It also REDUCES the amount of the fine the court would/can impose if he is found guilty. So, exactly HOW is this about generating revenue when Boyce (and countless others) are given breaks on their speed? Lord knows I almost never wrote the actual speed on tickets. I almost always cut people a significant break on the speed I wrote them for compared to what they were doing in reality. And again, by doing so, that reduces the amount of the fine, thereby reducing the tiny fraction of the fine that his or her Agency receives if a person is found guilty and a fine is levied.
It seems that everytime someone here gets a ticket (especially one they deserve) a bunch of people whine about quotas, conspiricies, all the money police agencies make from tickets, etc. Y'all really ought to see how much money is generated to your average sized Police Agency annually from citations and compare that to the Agency yearly operating costs of and budget. It is really laughable that so many of you truly believe that some cops are just out there trying to "make money" by writing tickets.
And let me state that I am not upset, angry or spewing at any person in particular. I think it sucks that Boyce got a ticket but these are the chances we take when ANY of us break the law............I am merely trying to point out to you nay-sayers that ticket writing is not the Lotto for police agencies and is a miniscule part of the amount of money that comes in and it doesn't come close to paying for the time, energy, equipment, etc of the guy who wrote the damn ticket in the first place!!
Boyce was going 15 MPH over and because the guy was able to pre fill out some of the ticket without needing all his info, a lot of you folks just automatically presume it is all about revenue. I could fill out a large portion of the vehicle info on most cars because in those days I was very knowledgable about the various cars on the street at that time. It just isn't that difficult. Year, make, model, color, license plate and registered owner info........pretty easy to do for a late model F-Body if the cop even has slight knowledge about the car.For the last time, the issuing agency gets LESS then 15% of the amount of the violation.......and that money has to pay for the officer, his training, the bike/car, his equipment, insurance, maintenance on the equipment and vehicle, the radar equipment, etc. Add it up and see how far $15 out of every $100 gets you. I can tell you where, NOWHERE!!!!!!!
The dude in this case was on a motorcycle which means his PRIMARY job is traffic enforcement, ie; writing citations. Boyce was going 15MPH over the limit cuz he was late for something and you people all want to blame the evil cop and the crooked system.
I worked traffic for 2 1/2 years and was never "told, encouraged, suggested to" or given anything remotely resembling an order to write X number of tickets during any time frame. As a traffic cop (motor cop, etc) my (and their) primary job is to enforce traffic laws and write tickets to violaters. Agencies get complaints ALLLLL the time from citizens about speeders or stop sign runners or whatever in certain areas, so enforcement is beefed up there but no one is told, "write x number of tickets or else". It just doesn't happen. I was also close friends with numerous motor cops in my Agency and other ones and since it was their job to respond to accidents, arrest DUI's and write tickets, that is what they do. Period. There is no conspiracy, no quotas, nothing.
Rick, I like you but you are talking out your ***.
I worked for 2 different Agencies, I know people that work for dozens of different agencies and my old man runs one here and has worked for several others and not one has had a flippin quota. Not ONE!!!!!! Even my friend at Seattle PD verified that they don't have quotas.Y'all don't want a ticket, don't speed, leave earlier and drive safely. I have managed to not get pulled over in the 2 years I have been here because I pay attention and I don't speed. Before that, the only times I was stopped in California was for tinted side windows, which is a violation there. It has been over 10 years since I was stopped for anything other then a mechanical violation and those times I was stopped for speeding or whatever, I deserved it.
A lot of you routinely admit to driving over 100 MPH, racing, speeding, etc yet you are the first ones to bitch and whine about getting in trouble for it and call names (pig, bacon, etc) to the cop who was merely doing his job and a lot of you sound like you had your civil liberties violated because you got caught. If you don't want the ticket, don't speed or break the law. It is reallllllllly simple. Rick, the average cop who has more then a couple years on the street is making over $20/hour. His car costs over 30 grand, his training is another 30 grand or more, hiring people to keep his vehicle maintained is another $12-15+/hour, the paperwork the tickets are printed on are not free, gas ain't cheap, the equipment (gun, vest, uniforms, etc) are not free either. That 15% MAX that a Dept gets from writing a ticket doesn't come close to covering the amount spent by having that officer out there. Your "ticket revenue generating quota's" excuse doesn't hold water given the amount of money it costs to keep officers on the street, trained and supplied.
And for those of you who will doubtlessly ramble on about some random small town agency, think about it......a small town isn't usually brimming with crime so to occupy the oficer's time, he will do traffic enforcement, along with 8 million other things that we have to do each day, including responding to calls from people like you guys who need us and bitch that we weren't there fast enough, didn't catch some crime and keep it from occurring, etc. We are never there fast enough to suit the general public and despised when we are around and visible (writing tickets). It is a lose-lose proposition. The laws are there because politicians made them and your average street cop enforces all laws at his discretion..........Boyce got a 33 1/3% break on his speed, which will help him out if found guilty with his insurance. It also REDUCES the amount of the fine the court would/can impose if he is found guilty. So, exactly HOW is this about generating revenue when Boyce (and countless others) are given breaks on their speed? Lord knows I almost never wrote the actual speed on tickets. I almost always cut people a significant break on the speed I wrote them for compared to what they were doing in reality. And again, by doing so, that reduces the amount of the fine, thereby reducing the tiny fraction of the fine that his or her Agency receives if a person is found guilty and a fine is levied.
It seems that everytime someone here gets a ticket (especially one they deserve) a bunch of people whine about quotas, conspiricies, all the money police agencies make from tickets, etc. Y'all really ought to see how much money is generated to your average sized Police Agency annually from citations and compare that to the Agency yearly operating costs of and budget. It is really laughable that so many of you truly believe that some cops are just out there trying to "make money" by writing tickets.
And let me state that I am not upset, angry or spewing at any person in particular. I think it sucks that Boyce got a ticket but these are the chances we take when ANY of us break the law............I am merely trying to point out to you nay-sayers that ticket writing is not the Lotto for police agencies and is a miniscule part of the amount of money that comes in and it doesn't come close to paying for the time, energy, equipment, etc of the guy who wrote the damn ticket in the first place!!
Hook, line and proverbial sinker!
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Originally Posted by Rokko
Of course I'm talking out my ***, but look at the diatribe I got out of you for a measly sentence and a half.
Hook, line and proverbial sinker!
Hook, line and proverbial sinker!
The rest was in response to other people, prior conversations on this subject and for the folks who actually believe exactly what you said.
03-19-2007, 08:59 PM
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Well that blows. You should have asked the cop if he was an MMA fan. Then give a demonstration real quick and submit his punk *** ! j/k
Its been 3 years since my last speeding ticket and was about to get a break on my insurance when I stuffed the car into the ditch. Dont think I'm getting at break now.
j/kIts been 3 years since my last speeding ticket and was about to get a break on my insurance when I stuffed the car into the ditch. Dont think I'm getting at break now.
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03-19-2007, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wws699
I love my Passport 8500.. It has paid for its self I may even owe it money.. 
Anybody know about any of the latest and greatest detectors out? Its been awhile since I've looked at them??
Anybody know about any of the latest and greatest detectors out? Its been awhile since I've looked at them??http://www.radarbusters.com/
03-19-2007, 09:23 PM
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and also as another note... radar won't tell you the distance he was most likely using LIDAR which will give you a distance reading and is what WSP is using most of the time now unless they are cruising down the highway then they use radar units that are specific for getting readings while moving. These days it seems like Most cities still use K band, a couple may have a few KA band... sheriffs I've come across as mostly K as well... WSP is either LIDAR or KA... or the extra sneaky airplane (which can track 6 vehicles simultaneously)
he was most likely using LIDAR which will give you a distance reading and is what WSP is using most of the time now unless they are cruising down the highway then they use radar units that are specific for getting readings while moving. These days it seems like Most cities still use K band, a couple may have a few KA band... sheriffs I've come across as mostly K as well... WSP is either LIDAR or KA... or the extra sneaky airplane (which can track 6 vehicles simultaneously) 
03-20-2007, 12:36 AM
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Actually Mark IF you would have read what I post in the link you might have thought before you typed old **** 
And Darin you are a great guy but for once STFU!!
BTW MY 8500 Picked up on a point and shot ambush on Hiway 2 just today. I was not speeding as I usually do not BUT I knew he was there 5 miles before I got to him parked just over a hill five miles away
And Darin you are a great guy but for once STFU!!
BTW MY 8500 Picked up on a point and shot ambush on Hiway 2 just today. I was not speeding as I usually do not BUT I knew he was there 5 miles before I got to him parked just over a hill five miles away
03-20-2007, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Rottluver
Ya know what people? I have said this before and I will say it again. There are no ******* QUOTAS!!!!!!! It is PROHIBITED BY FEDERAL FREAKING LAW to have anything remotely close to a quota!!!
**** yeah! I am getting out of the Navy and joining the police dept. as a traffic cop making $20/hour doing nothing! I will never write a ticket and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
03-20-2007, 02:15 AM
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Hell I carry one in my Truck! I will be passing my Passport 8500 down to Steph's car again as soon as I get the new one
http://www.escortradar.com/9500i.htm
Good Luck!
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03-20-2007, 11:39 AM
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Darin you're a funny dude ! Especially the part where you said "for the last time" hahaha ! I gotta say that I have never fought a ticket. I get pissed about it for awhile and then pay that sucker. In ORR they call the entry fee a "prepaid speeding ticket". On the street it's no differant. I speed every time I get in my car/motorcycle and so when I finally do get one I need to remember all those times I didn't. On a side note my Passport Escort saved me more times than I can count. Paid $600 for it and it saved me many thousands.
03-20-2007, 11:48 AM
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My Valentine1 is hardwired into my car. It has paid for itself many times over.
Sorry to hear you got nailed, Boyce.
Sorry to hear you got nailed, Boyce.
Have heard of someone putting it in the nostrils of the Ram Air and haveing the remote setup inside the car.
03-20-2007, 12:14 PM
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I got one deferred a couple of years ago. 
I think all I had to pay were court fees... After a year if you don't get a ticket it goes off of your record, but if you do get another ticket in that year you have to pay for both. And you can't go Deferred again for 7 years. It was worth it for me since I didn't have the $350 for a Lawyer at the time..plus my record stays clean.
I think all I had to pay were court fees... After a year if you don't get a ticket it goes off of your record, but if you do get another ticket in that year you have to pay for both. And you can't go Deferred again for 7 years. It was worth it for me since I didn't have the $350 for a Lawyer at the time..plus my record stays clean.
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Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
And Darin you are a great guy but for once STFU!!
And why should I STFU?
Originally Posted by NVME
**** yeah! I am getting out of the Navy and joining the police dept. as a traffic cop making $20/hour doing nothing! I will never write a ticket and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Originally Posted by Racehead
Darin you're a funny dude ! Especially the part where you said "for the last time" hahaha !
Especially since I know people will never drop the "there is a quota" nonsense.
03-20-2007, 01:55 PM
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My experience with governments and revenue is that they are expert at dancing around the law. Are there quotas, no. What I have seen happen, especially in small towns, is that the mayor(or other public official) will see a projected shortfall and ask the police to spend a few days/weeks doing a special patrol emphasis on "xyz(high $ return)" problem. Nothing illegal about it at all, but it clearly demonstrates the inherent conflict of interest when law enforcement and funding are linked(even partially).
