Thanks for letting me vent guys and gals. I needed it.

 

Eh me too. People died for no reason, everyones pissed. God bless~

 

I understand. I just have a hard time thinking the way to stop stuff like this is for everyone to have a gun. Do you really want to see kids in high school packing glocks?

People need to vent and it's good to do so.
Assualt rifle sales are banned because the rifle has only one intent. Same thing as the glock19. Only one intent with the weapon or any other semi auto hand gun for that matter. Its sounds extreme but the one thing thats true is that if it was harder to get this kid might not have got one. Maybe we need to look at the big picture. Maybe not. If someone wants to kill there really isnt anything you can do to stop them. Maybe not ignore the warning signs when there are some. I honestly feel the school didnt do a great job of handling this. From the kids warning signs to the actual shootings the first time. You mean to tell me that two opele being killed insnt a good enogh reason to suspend classes for the day? Even if it was a murder suicide, it should have been disturbing enough to warrant deeper thoughts and an investigation.

Dont some states make you wait 3 days before you can purchase? It's far to easy to get a gun. I know people dont think gun control is the answer but arming every woman man and child isnt the answer either.

Perfect example of what will happen is another college had a lock down today. A kid carrying a yoga matt was mistaken for a gun. Arming everyone is not the answer. To many insecure scared people out there will start shooting at shadows.

I know it will never happen and so incidents like this will continue to happen. I'll be the last person to give up my right to defend my property thats for sure.

I'm not saying we need to outlaw guns but there does need to be more than 3 forms of ID.

Christ we're more concerned and have better control over selling cold products that can be turned into meth than we are about guns. WTF does that tell you?

 

I agree with you Don, the media is throwing around a lot of accusations seemingly just to sensationalize a very bad situation.

I also agree banning guns will not solve the root cause. Crimminals will always find a way, I know this first hand. And as JFK said a long time ago, you cannot defend yourself against someone who is willing to die.

BUT - I think the police need to revise their protocols for these kinds of situations. This wasn't a hostage stand-off where they had to be concerned about how many people could get hurt if they stormed the building. There was a monster inside the school murdering children.

Get the **** inside immediatley & engage the bad guy. Don't wait for backup, don't wait for SWAT. Get in between the madman with the gun & the civis. But no cop was wounded, none of them even fired a shot. They were all told to stand outside & wait. That is the wrong response. It didn't work in Colorado, it's doesnt work still. I don't need to evaluate anything to make that statement, it's so obvious even a blind man can see it.

 

25,000 students, ALL of them running around scared, hysterical and pissing themselves from fear..........I guarantee the shooter would NOT be all that easy to see/find.........do I wish they could have gone in and found one guy in that huge crowd and stopped him? **** YES. However, not having been there, I am sure they had a million different reports of the shooter's description, location, number of actual shooters, etc........panic makes for a difficult situation.

Not too mention, say the SWAT teams storm the place and get into a shootout with this guy.....meanwhile, hundreds and thousands of students running around in your line of fire, between the bad guy & the cops.....that could actually result in a much higher dead and wounded count.
AMEN!!
I understand and agree with your anger and some of your feelings but the simple fact is, panic & pandemonium do not make for the simple ability to just "Go in and find the shooter" as you and Rick keep saying.

I defy you to find any decent cop who didn't or wouldn't want to help in that type of situation.......no one wants mass killings to go on like that but had cops stormed the buildings, I am willing to bet a paycheck that innocent kids would have been shot and/or killed due to the confusion and utter chaos going on at that time. Then everyone would be sitting around screaming for the heads of the cops and their bosses for not taking the time to get all the facts, plan it out, etc. It is a lose-lose situation.

Ask your neighbor who is a cop......pretty sure he would say the same things I am saying.......people are angry, hurt and confused and everyone wants to put the blame somewhere........that is normal. But the only person to blame in this situation put himself out of our misery. If everything I am reading is true (doors were chained, it was over in under 10 minutes, etc) then storming the building would have drawn out a horrible situation and made it unimaginable.

Protect & serve? Hell yes, thast is their job. And they are trained to do it and do it safely so that they don't end up dead and give the gunman another weapon or two so that he can kill more people. Uniformed cops make easy targets.......one armed student out of thousands would find them long before they spotted him and then **** really gets ugly. Maybe the shooter decides to take hostages or kill twice as many others because he paniced when the cops "stormed" the place trying to protect & serve. SWAT team guidelines are made from decades of experience and real life situations and 90+ % of the time, they work and save more lives then they take. It may not be the popular thing to hear, but it is a fact.

Just imagine how you would feel if some "cowboy" cop stormed in there, guns blazing, and accidentally wasted your kid or the shooter used that as an excuse to kill 10 more kids. Then what?
The problem with that is that at the time of the incident, no one knew it was just one kid with 2 handguns to the best of my knowledge.......it could have been 2 (like Columbine) or 3 or half a dozen.......no one knew!!!! So sending in a cop or 3 without backup, without the guys trained for this (SWAT) is like driving while blindfolded. You have no idea what is going on, where you are or where you are going......let alone who you are looking for. Yeah yeah yeah, the guy with the gun/s.......like he couldn't conceal them like he did to get inside the facility in the first place.

Gunshots echo.....especially in a situation like a school......pinpointing where the shooter is, especially if he/they are moving, is near impossible. And please don't say just go to where all the kids are running away from because from what I saw & read, that was pretty much everywhere, including jumping out of windows. It would have been really nice if Rambo coulda gone in and picked out the shooter from thousands of innocent college kids (which the shooter was a student there) and killed this piece of trash. But the sad reality is that **** don't happen in real life like it does on TV or in the movies. EVER!

 

He was in a building popping rounds off like a ****** cap gun, there was not 25K people running around inside that building. Different situation. They knew what building he was in. Pretty easy to figure out what floor he was on by the kids jumping out of the windows. Break the doors down start securing, sweeping and clearing and rock and roll. There was enough personell there to go in with back up and plenty of back up.

Maybe if they went in it would have distracted the killer enough to buy some of the kids some time to escape.He was firing at anything that breathed and no victim had less than 3 wounds.

I still say get the **** in tha building and do something. Going in and trying is still better than using your ****** gun as an armrest. That kid was in total control, maybe a little kaos would have helped. It was already kaos for everybody but the killer. 10 minutes is a long time, they should have been able to get in half that time and done something about it.

Just my opinion, but I'm tired of watching swat standing around using their rifles as armrests well out of harms way. Get rid of them if they can't go in and do what they are supposed to do.

 

I remember a little over 3 years ago here in Spokane there was a kid that went into school and during lunch walked down a hall, went inside where classmates were haveing lunch, pulled out his gun and told them to get out of the room. He barricaded the room best he could and just stayed there as SWAT rushed in to get him thinking he had hostages. When swat finally got the door open and got a glimpse of him they shot. Turned out the kid had no hostages and was SWAT was given bad information, but SWAT takes the blame for doing what they thought was saving lives... The confusion and chaos gave them bad information that lead to the death (if I remember right) of a young kid.

 

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington

 

"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
Benjamin Franklin

 

Rakko, amen brother, this story would of ended a different way if I had the chance... CPL, carry and carry often. Crap like this is pisses me off!