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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 01:08 PM
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This looks fun... not lol, sounds like 1000 thousand dollar project with no added horses
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 01:11 PM
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idk how but my sail panel hasnt bubbled yet. 1999 has 166k mi on it. looks to be originial paint by lookin at the car. its not perfect. well knock on wood.
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 01:25 PM
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well orginal owner may of had it fixed under warranty back in the day!!
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 03:42 PM
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My 99 is fine too, so far. 94k on it. Always was garaged before I got it, now I don't have a garage, so just watch it start oozing something nasty this summer
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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its the heat that does it! seen a intimidator edition SS come to car show. has 1,300 miles on it. was hot day at the show. cam in zero bubbles left with like 20 bubbles!
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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The sail panels are nowhere close to $1000.
My bad I did not know he had them marked down to $690 and $485. You then add $150 for shipping for $840 or $635. Plus then add $200 for your body shop to paint them. Now we are talking about $1040 or $835. If you have a body shop install it for you add another $100 to the other costs and you are looking at $1140 or $935 give or take $100. Sure looks to me like that is pretty close to a $1000 investment. I still like the junk yard panel price of $75-$100. I'll remove and install my own and I have a friend that owns a body shop and he will prep and paint it for $100. So I'll have at the most $200 and my own labor in one from the junk yard mounted and painted. Which deal looks more attractive to you sir.

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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SIC LSX
its the heat that does it! seen a intimidator edition SS come to car show. has 1,300 miles on it. was hot day at the show. cam in zero bubbles left with like 20 bubbles!
Thats kinda how minw was, not many bubbles. Then just out of the blue a few weeks ago I drive it to work on a 85 degree day. When I go to leave at the end of the day I could see the whole outline of glue all the way around the panel.

I have located 3 good panels, and a glass company that will remove them. I can get all 3. One of them is going on my car and the others I can sell if anyone is interested.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 12:42 AM
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Does anyone know if GM is still doing these replacements? What is the last known replacement?
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ws6.baker
Does anyone know if GM is still doing these replacements? What is the last known replacement?
GM isn't even stocking the panels any more.

Mine was replaced by GM back in 2008. Not sure if anyone else was able to get this covered any later than that.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 05:08 AM
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Here!
http://6litereaterdesigns.com/store/...roducts_id=290

This is where I plan to get mine but in CF.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterV8
Here!
http://6litereaterdesigns.com/store/...roducts_id=290

This is where I plan to get mine but in CF.
There is no way that thing is worth a grand...but then again maybe it is...
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Old Apr 15, 2012 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 96lt4c4
There is no way that thing is worth a grand...but then again maybe it is...
Low volume giant piece of custom fiberglass... Yeah, it probably is. Hurts the wallet but when not made in bulk anymore...

Good time to convert to t-tops or a targa top
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Old Apr 17, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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I GOT ONE!!!

It was a major pain in the *** to get off though. I called around all the glass company’s and could not get anyone to touch it. So after some google time I found this. Harbor Frieght windshield removal kit.

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I bought one today and spent about an hour and a half getting the thing off. The hard part is coming up the side of the roof. Once you get up one side you can carefully put something between the panel and the car to help the glue separate as you cut. Across the top is easy, but you have to be careful in the area where thetop folds over in the T top area. I still can’t believe I got it off.


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Old Apr 17, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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Wow, nice!
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Old Apr 17, 2012 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
GM isn't even stocking the panels any more.

Mine was replaced by GM back in 2008. Not sure if anyone else was able to get this covered any later than that.
2008 was when I had mine done. At that point I was able to argue through a mediator at better business that this should have been covered through the rust / corrosion protection warranty which is 6 years / 100k miles.

I thought I made a pretty good argument, although the official from GM did a really good job shooting himself in the foot. Either way I was pretty happy .
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Old Apr 17, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 96lt4c4
I GOT ONE!!!

It was a major pain in the *** to get off though. I called around all the glass company’s and could not get anyone to touch it. So after some google time I found this. Harbor Frieght windshield removal kit.



I bought one today and spent about an hour and a half getting the thing off. The hard part is coming up the side of the roof. Once you get up one side you can carefully put something between the panel and the car to help the glue separate as you cut. Across the top is easy, but you have to be careful in the area where thetop folds over in the T top area. I still can’t believe I got it off.
















Could you please do one for me?? LEt me know your price.
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Old Apr 17, 2012 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chaman
Could you please do one for me?? LEt me know your price.
I don't know man... I don't even know how I would ship it. It's very flimsy. It takes 2 guys to get it off about 2 hours. I will ask my buddy if he wants to pull another one.
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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by loyolacub68
2008 was when I had mine done. At that point I was able to argue through a mediator at better business that this should have been covered through the rust / corrosion protection warranty which is 6 years / 100k miles.

I thought I made a pretty good argument, although the official from GM did a really good job shooting himself in the foot. Either way I was pretty happy .
I was lucky, I have a local dealer that was familiar with the issue and knew how to get it taken care of through GM. I never saw a bill nor paid a penny, and I didn't have to fight at all. As soon as they saw the car and saw the TSB in my hand, they said "it will be covered at no cost to you". I assume they used the 6 year corrosion/rust protection to cover it, since the car was an '02. I've been doing business with this particular dealer since the mid-late '90s, and they've always been great to me. But at this point, with the newest of these cars being 10 years old and the panel being discontinued, there is really zero hope of finding any dealer to cover it now.
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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
I was lucky, I have a local dealer that was familiar with the issue and knew how to get it taken care of through GM. I never saw a bill nor paid a penny, and I didn't have to fight at all. As soon as they saw the car and saw the TSB in my hand, they said "it will be covered at no cost to you". I assume they used the 6 year corrosion/rust protection to cover it, since the car was an '02. I've been doing business with this particular dealer since the mid-late '90s, and they've always been great to me. But at this point, with the newest of these cars being 10 years old and the panel being discontinued, there is really zero hope of finding any dealer to cover it now.
I agree, no way anyone is going to have this repaired by GM for free anymore. Heck, they probably can't even do the repair because they don't make the panel anymore.

The service manager from the dealer I took my car to originally took one look at it and told me he wasn't sure what I expected them to do. GM customer service at one point had an appointment set up for me to have the area manager come take a look at the damage, which he promptly cancelled because he said he wasn't going to look at any panels because they weren't going to replace them unless I paid for it.

BBB initially denied my claim, then re-opened it after I appealed and set up mediation. GM's representative tried to argue that had I ever brought my car in for service at a dealer (I will never bring my car to a dealer), that I would have been aware of the problem and it could have been fixed while under the 3yr/36k warranty. My response to him was asking how many owners had been notified by GM of the problem in this fashion and subsequently had a repair completed. He straight up refused to answer the question even after being asked three times by the mediator to do so. I assume the mediator took this as an admission of guilt, and they subsequently found in my favor.

Best part was GM the day before the mediation trying to "buy me off". I had an extended warranty purchased by the original owner that was literally about to run out in three or four months. GM offered to reduce my deductible from $100 to $0. That was back before bankruptcy, maybe they are more humble now.
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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by autogeek23
idk how but my sail panel hasnt bubbled yet. 1999 has 166k mi on it. looks to be originial paint by lookin at the car. its not perfect. well knock on wood.
It's mostly 2000, 2001,2002. I have a friend that has a 99 Z28 and not one bubble. Oh and he has 205k on it.
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