WILWAXU

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Well.. considering I'm staff here, I can tell you that the board isn't bias to a single product. We are however bias to supporting our sponsors. So if your post contained what was considered to be advertising a for product that are in direct competition with our sponsors, then yes it will be regulated.

I have no doubt it's widely used. But, I don't see any of it's users here, for me to ask questions of when I get lost.

Team ZR-1

Your personal bias is overshadowing common sense, Uuh dude.

Officially, any scanner that is bound to B&B's hardware is also bound to how well or poor that interface is and if the vendor cannot build their own interface which is nothing more then a few protocol and RS232 chips then they also are stuck with the label most of us who paid for autotap and found it to be, unwilling to function correctly
most of the time and slower then EPA requirements.

Its a joke that the marketing pitch is to buy autotap and then also buy the other scanner from the same vendor to makeup what each scanner is lacking in and then BTW buy a new interface but at the same time quote performance from the interface they say you should replace because it is too slow.
So now you replace the slower interface with their new interface and now OBD-III is out and the new interface cannot support that, good thinking, now go buy another scanner when you have a 04/05 car, opps go buy another interface.
Ease's interface at least supports OBD I,II and now III, one interface as this say KISS.

WILWAXU

iTrader: (6)

LOL.. now I see why your opinions are held in such low regard.

I have no bias for ether of these products, other than I've used Autotap and it's worked for me.

If I'm going to try to learn another program, I will want (and need) a support bases... and I sure as hell wouldn't look to someone that would rather insult me than make a technical arguement. Thanks for helping decide against Ease.

minivette

Team Zr1, you really know how to sell a product.

TA Dave

John if you're going to Edit in the near future, just upgrade to basic EFI live and keep your cables. That is exactly what I'm going to do.

WILWAXU

iTrader: (6)

OK.. been doing a little more reading.

Are all the bidirectional controls geared towards making temperary changes on a dyno?

Are there any dianostic values added?

WILWAXU

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weird. Post didn't show up till I posted this one.

HumpinSS

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Yes the bi-di controls are for making temp changes on the dyno and at the track. What diagnostic values are you referring to?

66ImpalaLT1

I have no bias against Ease. I have a bias against you, John. Ease makes a number of attractive products, but you discredit them by being their biggest cheerleader. When you're called out to answer for your unfounded statements, you either disappear or jumble together a bunch of technical sounding nonsense. When questioned on that, you invariably tell people to read the SAE books on the subject.

I really dont need to post this, as you've already destroyed your credibility on every forum except your own.

Now lets see those 40fps log files...

EFILive

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Forgive me for being a skeptic but can you show me where Ease publish their official benchmark - that shows 50 PIDs can be scanned at 10, 20 or 40 frames per second? (Which is physically impossible over a 10.4kbps connection)

It is easy to artificially inflate speeds by quoting the data transfer rates (as you do) from the cable to the PC - which is not a true indication of the data sampling rate.

Regards
Paul

EVIL

john, efi live is a excellent product! its so much easier than atap v1. i have it setup where when i bott it up, i have everything i want right there ready to go. i havent messed with v6 too much yet, but its very very nice with the bi-di controls.

never seen ease yet, so i dont have a comparison to work with. you wont be disapointed with efi live! with the bi-di controls, you can lock the car in 3rd gear and lock the converter on the dyno if you want, very nice tool in my opinion.

EFILive

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Hi John,

Sorry for getting a bit off topic earlier, its just that unchallenged dis-information can eventually turn into "fact".

The bidirectional controls provide similar functionality to the ones that are found on a Tech2.

Bidirectionl controls are *very* different in both how they are used and what they do to anything that you can/would do with LS1Edit.
Many people confuse bidi controls with LS1Edit and reprogramming the PCM's calibrations.

Bidirectional controls are manually activated by you the user - at no time does EFILive "alter" any PCM calibrations.
The calibrations in the PCM remain unchanged - EFILive simply sends a command (at your manual request) to activate or deactivate certain operations.

You can:
1. Manually operate systems that are normally controlled by the PCM: A/C clutch solenoid, turn fans on/off, illuminate the MIL and/or skip shift light, turn fuel pump on/off and others.

2. Perform a crank position sensor relearn - required if the physical relationship between the crank and the crank sensor is ever disturbed - or if the PCM is swapped.

3. Perform a cylinder power balance test

4. Hold a selected gear and/or lock the TCC - to prevent kickdown during WOT dyno runs.

5. Manually control the desired idle speed. This easily lets you find out what idle speed is best for the engine - you can turn fans on/off and A/C clutch on/off to see the effects they have on idle speed.

6. A new transmission bidi control panel is being tested that provides complete diagnostic control over all solenoids in the transmission - including TCC enable, TCC apply, 3-2 shift and the Pressure Control Solenoid current.

Regards
Paul

Richard@WCCH

iTrader: (3)

I have both Ease and EFILive5&6 and I feel that both have their strength and weakness. For example the charting function in Ease is very nice. When reviewing a scan log I can drag the slide bar to a particular spot and resume the playback or advance one frame at a time. I haven't been able to do that with EFILive. Playback always wants to start back at the beginning and some of my logs are over an hour long. EFI won't work on my '01 Silverado, but I hope they resolve that issue soon. I am a bit new to EFILive, but value features such as easy export of selected data in my selected order directly to a .csv file. I'm still getting acquainted with the bidi controls, but so far they work as promised. I'm anxious to see some additional dashboards for EFI6. Any idea if new layouts are available?
IMO, both scan tools are very effecient at looking into your cars PCM. EFILive has sizeable presence here on these boards and that may make some feel more comfortable buying that product, but by no means does that make Ease an inferior product.

Good luck with your choice.

Richard

WILWAXU

iTrader: (6)

Thanks Richard for that honest comparison!

BlownChevy

iTrader: (20)

I know EFI Live V5 will work with my atap v1 cable.....But I cant seem to get the downloaded evaluation efi live to work. Any input?

Fetumpsh

Perhaps the Ease 'warp speed' mode is kinda like PMPO ratings on stereo gear.
We need some proof before it'll be believed that you are getting updated data <font color="red"> FROM <!--color--></font> the PCM at a greater rate than anybody else, or is it just faster data rates from the ADAPTOR to PC?.
I still can't see how you can get the PCM to send out data any faster than what is coded into it's firmware as the limits

HumpinSS

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The way to get around this is to close the current log and open it back up. EFILive will re-plot all the data and you can use the horizontal scroll bar on the bottom to advance playback. Dont hit play, it will start from the beginning of the log.

Ed Blown Vert

iTrader: (2)

Sure you can, just not every control.

And yes, EFI is much better than ATAP.

Richard@WCCH

iTrader: (3)

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The way to get around this is to close the current log and open it back up. EFILive will re-plot all the data and you can use the horizontal scroll bar on the bottom to advance playback. Dont hit play, it will start from the beginning of the log.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try.

Richard

ChrisB

Ease is definitely a fine product, as is EFILive. Ease's biggest advantage is it's larger support of vehicles (GM, Ford, etc) - if you are a shop, tuner, etc. that may be an issue. Of course you also pay much more for this, but then you get to use the same interface.

But as an individual I am not really worried about that - and for LSx based vehicles I feel EFILive is superiour.

I think one tremendous difference is the ability of EFILive to allow for calculated PID's in real time. Since the LS1 spark tables are scaled in units of g/cyl you will naturally wish to know what g/cyl value you are at for any given data cell. You can do this as a calculated PID in EFILive - I am not aware of any other scan package that allows for this. (you have to do them all offline in excel, etc.) But it's not limited to g/cyl - as it is user configurable you can set it up for whatever you desire (VE, Horsepower (calculated), etc.). That alone is a tremendous advantage, and in a day-to-day usability context a very "big deal".

I wouldn't hesitate to suggest EFILive to any individual - unless you have specific needs to scan cars from multiple vendors, etc. I *feel* it is the way to go.

But I welcome new information - if Team ZR-1 can demonstrate features, abilities, or techniques that can be used with Ease or anything, by all means! The only limit is that no pricing information nor overt solicitations can be posted regarding Ease (unless said person is a Sponsor).