Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
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Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? I have the standard AT1 Autotap cable and run the Dos Autotap software. I will probably be getting LS1edit in the near future. Is it worth it to "upgrade" to EFILive with the Pro cable?
Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? I decided (today) to make the same transition. I've been running DOS AutoTap for a couple years now, and am ready for a change. My understanding is that EFILive can be configured to log data MUCH faster than AutoTap DOS. I hate only getting a couple frames per second of data when running the 1/4 mile.
I'm getting in on the GP from Thunder that's going on right now.
Andrew
I'm getting in on the GP from Thunder that's going on right now.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
I'm getting in on the GP from Thunder that's going on right now.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
My understanding is that EFILive can be configured to log data MUCH faster than AutoTap DOS. I hate only getting a couple frames per second of data when running the 1/4 mile.
Eric
Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
You will be pleased. In 10x24 mode, you get 10 frames per second with 24 pids selected. Just make sure your laptop is fast enough or you'll drop frames. Mine was fine with V5, but in V6 I have to keep it on the data view, my laptop is not fast enough for the real time graphs.
Eric
Eric
So chances are you will be able to view charts in real time like you can in V5.
That fix is available in V6.1.6 which is due out soon.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? Cool,
Guess the question still remains though. Is the bidirectional controls worth the extra $$$ for the upgraded cable?
Guess the question still remains though. Is the bidirectional controls worth the extra $$$ for the upgraded cable?
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Cool,
Guess the question still remains though. Is the bidirectional controls worth the extra $$$ for the upgraded cable?
Guess the question still remains though. Is the bidirectional controls worth the extra $$$ for the upgraded cable?
If you find that you want the bidi controls in future you can upgrade your cable to V2 (about $100) and upgrade the software to Pro (about $60)
Which is still cheaper than buying the Pro version straight up. (unless you get a good group buy discount).
See this page for upgrade details:
http://www.autotap.com/upgrades.html
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? IMHO before buying 1st look at the Ease GM enhanced Personal scanner.
http://obd2.com
For the same price as other laptop scanners you now get bi directional for free and the newest release of 3.0 has a Warp speed mode that only Ease has since they are the only scanner vendor to be a tier 2 supplier to GM and be certified for EPA smog test shops.
They also are the only ones to get direct updates from GM as to each car and truck model year as GM adds, moves, or renames PIDs in the PCM.
It is also the only of the scanners to allow adding the body/chassis functions so that you can also monitor all other modules in the car/truck.
They also now are already supporting the new GM CAN GMLAN protocol in their interfaces for OBD-III
http://obd2.com
For the same price as other laptop scanners you now get bi directional for free and the newest release of 3.0 has a Warp speed mode that only Ease has since they are the only scanner vendor to be a tier 2 supplier to GM and be certified for EPA smog test shops.
They also are the only ones to get direct updates from GM as to each car and truck model year as GM adds, moves, or renames PIDs in the PCM.
It is also the only of the scanners to allow adding the body/chassis functions so that you can also monitor all other modules in the car/truck.
They also now are already supporting the new GM CAN GMLAN protocol in their interfaces for OBD-III
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? The Ease looks like a good program, but I'm not sure if alot of people have it. I'd hate to have something no one could help me with.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? Ease body/chassis monitoring is WAY overpriced, according to their website its only in the professional version.
How fast is the Warp speed mode? I have yet to see any metrics on it.
How fast is the Warp speed mode? I have yet to see any metrics on it.
Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? John,
What is the difference between Eases "Warp Speed" and EFILive's "GM Fast Dynamic" scan mode?
I'm happy to provide the tech specs on EFILive's high speed logging mode for comparison.
Can you provide metrics as 66ImpalaLT1 requested?
I would also be interested to see you explain the technical specs of Warp Speed. Without contradicting the many emails you posted last year about how EFILive's high speed data logging was impossible.
I am sceptical that data can be logged faster than EFILive's 24 channels at 10 frames per second - since those restrictions are programmed into the PCM - we know, we've decompiled the software in the LS1 PCM.
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What is the difference between Eases "Warp Speed" and EFILive's "GM Fast Dynamic" scan mode?
I'm happy to provide the tech specs on EFILive's high speed logging mode for comparison.
Can you provide metrics as 66ImpalaLT1 requested?
I would also be interested to see you explain the technical specs of Warp Speed. Without contradicting the many emails you posted last year about how EFILive's high speed data logging was impossible.
I am sceptical that data can be logged faster than EFILive's 24 channels at 10 frames per second - since those restrictions are programmed into the PCM - we know, we've decompiled the software in the LS1 PCM.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? I too am very interested in hearing how Ease get the 'warp speed' communications. For those that actually understand the PCM's internal workings know that the Communications routines only get serviced every 'x' amount of times per second anyway.
EFILive already (and has done for a while), use the fastest mode available (Same as Tech2).
So what gives Ease boys
EFILive already (and has done for a while), use the fastest mode available (Same as Tech2).
So what gives Ease boys
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
wont the AT1 cable work with the efi live?
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? Isn't Team ZR1 the same dude that got a permanent ban from LS1.com?
Regardless, and in full disclosure, I have assisted with EFILive V6 during beta testing, and have found it to be a stable platform. The cable requirements are dictated by licensing arrangements thru B&B, who make Autotap, and the program extracts the "enhanced" data as fast as possible from the PCM's in the LS1 and LS6 engines, as well as performs basic OBDII scan tool modes for most other GM models.
Keep in mind that "officially" from B&B only EFILive V5 is offered. This is being addressed, and so some of their people may not be fully "up to speed" on V6. Cut them a bit of slack, and by all means double check the www.efilive.com site. That's the quickest way to get information as to the status of what works and what doesn't, latest version, possible workarounds, etc...
MRK
Regardless, and in full disclosure, I have assisted with EFILive V6 during beta testing, and have found it to be a stable platform. The cable requirements are dictated by licensing arrangements thru B&B, who make Autotap, and the program extracts the "enhanced" data as fast as possible from the PCM's in the LS1 and LS6 engines, as well as performs basic OBDII scan tool modes for most other GM models.
Keep in mind that "officially" from B&B only EFILive V5 is offered. This is being addressed, and so some of their people may not be fully "up to speed" on V6. Cut them a bit of slack, and by all means double check the www.efilive.com site. That's the quickest way to get information as to the status of what works and what doesn't, latest version, possible workarounds, etc...
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
Isn't Team ZR1 the same dude that got a permanent ban from LS1.com?
Anyway, BACK on TOPIC.
What are the true difference between having the bidirection cable and not?
Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive? Bi-directional operation allows you to overide certain functions of the pcm while the laptop is hooked up tp the computer. In v6 Bi-directional controlls allow you to raise IAC, raise idle rpm and perform a cylinder balance test, etc. In v5 it allows you to overide spark and fuel maps.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
Ease body/chassis monitoring is WAY overpriced, according to their website its only in the professional version.
How fast is the Warp speed mode? I have yet to see any metrics on it.
How fast is the Warp speed mode? I have yet to see any metrics on it.
People confuse the fact options can be added to both Personal and Pro versions and as for Pro version unlike other brand scanners my Pro allows me to connect to ALL GM cars and light trucks (1983 to present)that are OBD I, OBD-II, generic OBD, GM enhanced and soon OBD-III, plus allows my pocket PC scanner to be used as a data logger and then move to the recordings to the Pro version so Pro has a lot more use then other so called Pro versions.
Last month Ease had a special that allowed existing owners or new owners of Personal (not Pro )version to add body/chassis and some other options for only $100 but this forum deleted my post so that others would not read it so thank them for missing out on that Ease special.
Those that did hear about it went with the special and are very happy they did and will also get V 3 which has even more features.
As to Warp mode, I have been testing it for over 1 year with hundreds of GM cars and over 3,000 PCM recording and its speed is way beyond what people are being told by other scanner vendors. You get the EPA standard of 10 F/ps with as many as 50 PIDs concurrently, switch to 20 F/ps or 40 F/ps.
I frankly can care less what scanner people use but I do think they should look at the ONLY GM and EPA certified scanner which is from Ease for it makes our job easier when you have the right tools in tracking down a problem or are tuning the PCM.
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Re: Is it worth upgrading to EFILive?
The Ease looks like a good program, but I'm not sure if alot of people have it. I'd hate to have something no one could help me with.
Ease is the largest vendor of PCM scanners for the personal and professional use. It is the only one of the laptop types used by those on these forums that is approved by GM and EPA to where some states mandate Ease being using for smog testing so that assures your using it that you would get the same results as the smog shops.
Ease has not won several product design awards for having a product no one uses.