hp tuners bullshit
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From: Katherine N.T Australia
Yep.
Because EFI LIVE went for a more simpler, secure, straight forward licensing scheme. The HPT format is flawed when there are other tools out there like EFI LIVE or even Tech II that can change VIN/OS combos thus giving you the ability to tune multiple controllers using the same credits. Been there done that.
Because EFI LIVE went for a more simpler, secure, straight forward licensing scheme. The HPT format is flawed when there are other tools out there like EFI LIVE or even Tech II that can change VIN/OS combos thus giving you the ability to tune multiple controllers using the same credits. Been there done that.
Lets say a corvette tunershop wants to tune all 2005-2010 Corvettes & only corvettes which is a pretty common scenerio.
To do this with our software they would just license the 6 model years at a cost of $3600.
To do this with efilive would mean they would need to license the E40 Stream($2500), E38 Stream($2500), E67 stream for ZR1's($2500), T42 TCM stream($1250) and the T43 stream($1250) totalling $10,000.
Considering this was not a hpt vs efi thread lets not take it any farther than this, they both have their advantages/disadvantages.
-Bill
Ok, here's an example of our flawed licensing as compared to efi
Lets say a corvette tunershop wants to tune all 2005-2010 Corvettes & only corvettes which is a pretty common scenerio.
To do this with our software they would just license the 6 model years at a cost of $3600.
To do this with efilive would mean they would need to license the E40 Stream($2500), E38 Stream($2500), E67 stream for ZR1's($2500), T42 TCM stream($1250) and the T43 stream($1250) totalling $10,000.
Considering this was not a hpt vs efi thread lets not take it any farther than this, they both have their advantages/disadvantages.
-Bill
Lets say a corvette tunershop wants to tune all 2005-2010 Corvettes & only corvettes which is a pretty common scenerio.
To do this with our software they would just license the 6 model years at a cost of $3600.
To do this with efilive would mean they would need to license the E40 Stream($2500), E38 Stream($2500), E67 stream for ZR1's($2500), T42 TCM stream($1250) and the T43 stream($1250) totalling $10,000.
Considering this was not a hpt vs efi thread lets not take it any farther than this, they both have their advantages/disadvantages.
-Bill
By the way I had HP Tuners and you guys give great support, but you didn't support my RoadRunner and since Tunercat doesn't offer COS's, I went to EFI. The biggest advantage of the EFI license scheme as I see it, is that as long asthe vehicle uses the same PCM, you only need to license it once. Say that I have 2001 F-body (Service number 12200411) and decide to trade it in for a 2002 corvette, since it also had the same PCM. I could keep my PCM and put it in my new vehicle and not have to relicense it.
You hit the nail on the head for the advantage of HP license scheme, it helps the smaller shops.
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Ok, here's an example of our flawed licensing as compared to efi
Lets say a corvette tunershop wants to tune all 2005-2010 Corvettes & only corvettes which is a pretty common scenerio.
To do this with our software they would just license the 6 model years at a cost of $3600.
To do this with efilive would mean they would need to license the E40 Stream($2500), E38 Stream($2500), E67 stream for ZR1's($2500), T42 TCM stream($1250) and the T43 stream($1250) totalling $10,000.
Considering this was not a hpt vs efi thread lets not take it any farther than this, they both have their advantages/disadvantages.
-Bill
Lets say a corvette tunershop wants to tune all 2005-2010 Corvettes & only corvettes which is a pretty common scenerio.
To do this with our software they would just license the 6 model years at a cost of $3600.
To do this with efilive would mean they would need to license the E40 Stream($2500), E38 Stream($2500), E67 stream for ZR1's($2500), T42 TCM stream($1250) and the T43 stream($1250) totalling $10,000.
Considering this was not a hpt vs efi thread lets not take it any farther than this, they both have their advantages/disadvantages.
-Bill
You can do comparisons to make either suite look better on paper till the cows come home. But in the end the EFI LIVE system is a simpler more secure format.
On the other side of the coin the HPT licensing scheme does have its advantage because of the year model/VIN link. I used my old HPT cable to flash my 99 without using any credits as I had 01-05 vehicles unlocked but I simply found a tune from an 04, flashed it in and changed the VIN with EFI LIVE to that of what the 04 model was. Bingo, what was once a 99 model HPT now thinks is an 04. And that was all done through the OBDII with no hacking what so ever. Only did it to see what the RTT was like. Only lasted 5min and the Roadrunner quickly went back into the car for true Real Time Tuning.
Last edited by macca_779; Feb 22, 2010 at 05:04 AM.
Flawed argument as its all relative. Say a shop only wants to tune LS1's from all makes and models and wants to use Custom OS' on alot if not all of them. EFI LIVE $2500 and that is it forever.. HPT well over $10000 but its variable in that it could be more or less.
Not a fair comparison, since with the EFI, you'd get a lot of other vehicles, even if you didn't want them.
We give our customers this option.
We also have tunershop packages for gen 4 applications for instance our gen 4 V8 car & truck license which includes free custom operating systems for both would run $8000 and includes E40, E38, E67, T42 & T43 pcm's.
