$$ no issue-best tuner in TX?
$$ no issue-best tuner in TX? I have seen a lot of dyno tunes around Tx and most were done w/ a wide band O2 sensor (placed in tailpipe). This last weekend in Houston I went with my friend to a local tuner after a cam only install and he tuned it using a dyno/Autotap. There was no air/fuel graph. HOW CAN SOMEONE TUNE A CAR W/O AIR/FUEL RATIOS, CORRECTLY?
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Originally Posted by Magred2001vette
HOW CAN SOMEONE TUNE A CAR W/O AIR/FUEL RATIOS, CORRECTLY?
Godspeed at LGM is where I'd put my $$$$$$$$$$.
joel
But it can get damn close if the guy knows what he's doing. 
By close, I mean to within 5-8 horsepower on a heads/cam car. Closer on lighter mod cars. Blower or nitrous tunes, well, I wouldn't do those without a WB. It may not be "dead on", but it can be very close - to the point where it may not be cost effective to do a wideband tune.
Just my $.02,
Andrew
By close, I mean to within 5-8 horsepower on a heads/cam car. Closer on lighter mod cars. Blower or nitrous tunes, well, I wouldn't do those without a WB. It may not be "dead on", but it can be very close - to the point where it may not be cost effective to do a wideband tune.Just my $.02,
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you guys are funny, on GB you can get a wideband LM-1 with rpm pickup for $400 shipped (look around the various forums for innovative). Spend all that money on parts/edit and not get a couple buddies to kick in for a portable wideband?
Your car will always wideband out differently at 100mph than on a dyno. Probably why folks dyno wot tune a little rich.
Your car will always wideband out differently at 100mph than on a dyno. Probably why folks dyno wot tune a little rich.
Originally Posted by Magred2001vette
I have seen a lot of dyno tunes around Tx and most were done w/ a wide band O2 sensor (placed in tailpipe). This last weekend in Houston I went with my friend to a local tuner after a cam only install and he tuned it using a dyno/Autotap. There was no air/fuel graph. HOW CAN SOMEONE TUNE A CAR W/O AIR/FUEL RATIOS, CORRECTLY?
they keep going richer or leaner until it loses power then they know where it needs to be
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Originally Posted by samz28
you guys are funny, on GB you can get a wideband LM-1 with rpm pickup for $400 shipped (look around the various forums for innovative). Spend all that money on parts/edit and not get a couple buddies to kick in for a portable wideband?
See this interior pic of my car? What's that on my seat?
-Andrew
Originally Posted by samz28
you guys are funny, on GB you can get a wideband LM-1 with rpm pickup for $400 shipped (look around the various forums for innovative). Spend all that money on parts/edit and not get a couple buddies to kick in for a portable wideband?
Your car will always wideband out differently at 100mph than on a dyno. Probably why folks dyno wot tune a little rich.
Your car will always wideband out differently at 100mph than on a dyno. Probably why folks dyno wot tune a little rich.
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Originally Posted by Camaroholic
I'm not knocking widebands...
See this interior pic of my car? What's that on my seat?
-Andrew
See this interior pic of my car? What's that on my seat?
-Andrew
Andrew -I have the FJO setup. Are you happy with this setup (innovate)? I was thinking about getting this to stick in my other bung and compare and read both banks.
ChrisB had said that this setup..Innovate lm-1, could be used with the stock sensor wiring and input to the PCM. Then I could read it in EFILIVE. Anyone know how I would go about this?? TIA.
joel
Honestly, I've got it hooked up, working (taking AFR readings), but I'm not using it yet. I just got the car back on the road tonight. I hadn't used the Wideband yet in those pictures. I do have the RPM cable, and brought a wire in from the tach lead.
I have to install the software on my laptop, and play around with data logging. That's what I'm really excited about - being able to monitor RPM and AFR at the same time.
Now, with what ChrisB is talking about... Dang, I remember reading how to do what he's talking about, but I don't remember exactly what.
I plan to use them simultaneously as separate systems (EFILive v6 and the Wideband with RPM cable).
I bought one of the original DIY-EFI WB kits, but never got it running. This Innovate unit blows it away. Wow. Easy to set up, and very professional, at a price that's tough to beat. Especially with how inexpensive the sensors are. I am happy I bought it. Now it's just a matter of making the time to use it.
Cheers,
Andrew
I do have the RPM cable, and brought a wire in from the tach lead.I have to install the software on my laptop, and play around with data logging. That's what I'm really excited about - being able to monitor RPM and AFR at the same time.
Now, with what ChrisB is talking about... Dang, I remember reading how to do what he's talking about, but I don't remember exactly what.
I plan to use them simultaneously as separate systems (EFILive v6 and the Wideband with RPM cable).I bought one of the original DIY-EFI WB kits, but never got it running. This Innovate unit blows it away. Wow. Easy to set up, and very professional, at a price that's tough to beat. Especially with how inexpensive the sensors are. I am happy I bought it. Now it's just a matter of making the time to use it.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Originally Posted by Camaroholic
Honestly, I've got it hooked up, working (taking AFR readings), but I'm not using it yet. I just got the car back on the road tonight. I hadn't used the Wideband yet in those pictures. I do have the RPM cable, and brought a wire in from the tach lead.
I have to install the software on my laptop, and play around with data logging. That's what I'm really excited about - being able to monitor RPM and AFR at the same time.
Now, with what ChrisB is talking about... Dang, I remember reading how to do what he's talking about, but I don't remember exactly what. I plan to use them simultaneously as separate systems (EFILive v6 and the Wideband with RPM cable).
I bought one of the original DIY-EFI WB kits, but never got it running. This Innovate unit blows it away. Wow. Easy to set up, and very professional, at a price that's tough to beat. Especially with how inexpensive the sensors are. I am happy I bought it. Now it's just a matter of making the time to use it.
Cheers,
Andrew
I do have the RPM cable, and brought a wire in from the tach lead.I have to install the software on my laptop, and play around with data logging. That's what I'm really excited about - being able to monitor RPM and AFR at the same time.
Now, with what ChrisB is talking about... Dang, I remember reading how to do what he's talking about, but I don't remember exactly what.
I plan to use them simultaneously as separate systems (EFILive v6 and the Wideband with RPM cable).I bought one of the original DIY-EFI WB kits, but never got it running. This Innovate unit blows it away. Wow. Easy to set up, and very professional, at a price that's tough to beat. Especially with how inexpensive the sensors are. I am happy I bought it. Now it's just a matter of making the time to use it.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Chris was saying you hook program a output on the innovate for 0-1v linear and hook it up to a rear o2 input so you can log it with efilive.
I'm going to do this when I get my car back on the road, in about two weeks.
I'm going to do this when I get my car back on the road, in about two weeks.
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Originally Posted by 66ImpalaLT1
Chris was saying you hook program a output on the innovate for 0-1v linear and hook it up to a rear o2 input so you can log it with efilive.
I'm going to do this when I get my car back on the road, in about two weeks.
I'm going to do this when I get my car back on the road, in about two weeks.
Couple of options
1) There is a serial output on the LM-1 already enabled. The specs aren't public domain, but Klaus has released them to people that asked. It would be trivial to log this and display the data.
2) The LM-1 itself has 44minutes of internal memory (that can include other data sources to, such as rpm, etc.) - you wouldn't get real time display on the pcm, but you could download it to the pcm after the fact and view it.
3) The LM-1 has a programmable analog (voltage) output - you could
a) Purchase an external a/d converter box (Dataq has one with a api for ~25 bucks)
b) Run this signal into a sensor not being used (rear o2) and log this value directly with your scan tool (essentially using a spare input on the pcm as an a/d converter)
(3)(b) is the only option currently available that will do what you desire, though there is talk of efilive allowing the integration of timestamped data from another source natively.
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FWIW. joel