nitro daves dyno tune?
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miss those exciting days... i bet dave is going to tell you how happy i was with the cam.. just ask him how happy Ahmed was after the install... he'll tell you the rest
miss those exciting days... i bet dave is going to tell you how happy i was with the cam.. just ask him how happy Ahmed was after the install... he'll tell you the rest
Originally Posted by major tom
I don't know where you are getting off on the Accusations on your tuning .I don't know who you are and do not want to know a person like you that bashes good people.Moe did a mail order nitrous tune,I gave him all of my specs and my car has been running like a bat out of hell.It has been well over a year and have not had ANY issues with his tuning.It is hard to beleive all that you say because I agree with the rest.Moe is very knowledgeable,and always makeing sure everything was right on.I also had a tune done at MTI and it sucked,Car would not idle,ran like crap and after the tune that moe installed it was a difference between night and day,I say to anyone.Take your car and let moe tune it...as for you Mr. perfection 
I think by all these threads that the truth has come out........... 
I think by all these threads that the truth has come out........... 
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From: Waco,Tx
Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Performance
Matt,
Tell the whole story here.Your car had several machanical problems when you brought it down.We did what we could to tune it.Then you drove it home and found shorts and bare wires in your wiring.Moe took off work and asked you to come back up on that friday in the morning.You showed up at 4:30 in the afternoon.You thinking you know how to tune you had been in there playing with tables.That is the only way that your fuel tables would have droped down in the 10s on air fuel like it did.I bit my tongue and so did Moe.Instead we took and retuned your car for you at no extra charge.You picked up over 200 HP FROM OUR TUNE.When we pulled it off the dyno and took it for a drive it ran great.The next day it was brought to my attention that you were in the computer again playing with the tune.When we were tuning your car you kept asking Moe (Just tweek it a little more) as a tuner Moe knows when it is right.But instead he tried the things you asked for to make you happy.You called me and said you felt cheated on your tune because Moe did not change all of the tables.Just to let you know not all of the tables have to be changed.Moe has tunned 100s of cars including other super charged cars and you are the first and only person that we have ever had a problem with.The reason why we have had this problem is because you own LS1 edit and really beleave that you can take someone elses work and tweek it alittle more.You are the one that has messed up your tune.JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN LS1 EDIT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A OVERNIGHT TUNER. Moe has spent alot of time learning his tuning capabilities and were taught by the best.Have you ever heard of Chris Bennight?
Moe and Chris have spent alot of hours together on this. I have 100% confidence in Moe or he would not be a part of Nitro Daves.Matt you are a nice guy,but in your quest of trying to make your self look like the man to your friends you have overlooked the truth.Just keep in mind that you are the only person that has everhad a problem with our tuning and then ask yourself why.I thought long and hard about what to do about you.My decision was and still is to stand behind Moe on this one.
Thanks
Dave
Tell the whole story here.Your car had several machanical problems when you brought it down.We did what we could to tune it.Then you drove it home and found shorts and bare wires in your wiring.Moe took off work and asked you to come back up on that friday in the morning.You showed up at 4:30 in the afternoon.You thinking you know how to tune you had been in there playing with tables.That is the only way that your fuel tables would have droped down in the 10s on air fuel like it did.I bit my tongue and so did Moe.Instead we took and retuned your car for you at no extra charge.You picked up over 200 HP FROM OUR TUNE.When we pulled it off the dyno and took it for a drive it ran great.The next day it was brought to my attention that you were in the computer again playing with the tune.When we were tuning your car you kept asking Moe (Just tweek it a little more) as a tuner Moe knows when it is right.But instead he tried the things you asked for to make you happy.You called me and said you felt cheated on your tune because Moe did not change all of the tables.Just to let you know not all of the tables have to be changed.Moe has tunned 100s of cars including other super charged cars and you are the first and only person that we have ever had a problem with.The reason why we have had this problem is because you own LS1 edit and really beleave that you can take someone elses work and tweek it alittle more.You are the one that has messed up your tune.JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN LS1 EDIT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A OVERNIGHT TUNER. Moe has spent alot of time learning his tuning capabilities and were taught by the best.Have you ever heard of Chris Bennight?
Moe and Chris have spent alot of hours together on this. I have 100% confidence in Moe or he would not be a part of Nitro Daves.Matt you are a nice guy,but in your quest of trying to make your self look like the man to your friends you have overlooked the truth.Just keep in mind that you are the only person that has everhad a problem with our tuning and then ask yourself why.I thought long and hard about what to do about you.My decision was and still is to stand behind Moe on this one.
Thanks
Dave
I have seen Moe's tuning capabilities on many ls1 and it is top notch. Bomax come on, go cry to someone else about your inability to tune your car. Where in the heck do you even have a leg to stand on in this argument. YOUR CAR MADE 328rwhp WITH YOUR TUNE! How in the hell can you say you fixed the problems Moe made, when you caused most of them. Moe gave you 200rwhp and you still bitch.
I just can't see how people build a supercharged cammed ls1 and expect it to run like a BMW. You car going to have some bucking every once in awhile and a surge here and there if you lug the car around in 4th.
I recommend you sell your car Bomax and buy an Avalon or something of that nature.
Last edited by Chris D.; Feb 7, 2004 at 12:15 AM.
Originally Posted by Chris D.
I have seen Moe's tuning capabilities on many ls1 and it is top notch. Bomax come on, go cry to someone else about your inability to tune your car. Where in the heck do you even have a leg to stand on in this argument. YOUR CAR MADE 328rwhp WITH YOUR TUNE! How in the hell can you say you fixed the problems Moe made, when you caused most of them. Moe gave you 200rwhp and you still bitch.
I just can't see how people build a supercharged cammed ls1 and expect it to run like a BMW. You car going to have some bucking every once in awhile and a surge here and there if you lug the car around in 4th.
I recommend you sell your car Bomax and buy an Avalon or something of that nature.
You crack me up! Last edited by bomax; Feb 7, 2004 at 11:44 AM.
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Hey Mr. Dave there sure seems to be a lot for positive feedback from your shop. Dam after reading all the info on this thread has made me consider bringing my AFR headed Lt1 over to your shop. Does your shop tune lt1 cars?
Well damn,
guess I'll wade in:
My Car: Moe just tuned mine inbetween working on Vents' ride last Wednesday. He put in a real good tune and netted me 404 RWTQ out of a "little" LT1 355. The RWHP number was not up to par with what the motor can make, but it wasn't Moe's fault. My stock injectors were at 92-97% duty cycle at WOT, so he left the tune "safe" for the limited ability of my fuel system. I'm upgrading the injectors next week and going back to Nitro Dave's. They are going to cut me a discount on the retune, even though it is my fault (and not their's) for not upgrading my fuel delivery prior to going up there the first time.
Bomax's car: I know all of the people involved and EVERYBODY is a good guy, so I'm sorry to see this dispute. I do not know the ground truth and will not take sides. However, I think it's fugged up for people to criticize Matt for even bringing it up. While I believe in Moe's ability, it's plain and simple communism to say "you're not allowed to say anything negative" about Nitro Dave's or ANY shop for that matter. No shop should be considered "untouchable". Otherwise, eventually, some shops will realize they can shaft a few people here and there and the wronged customer won't be able to hurt their reputation. I don't think Dave would be tempted to do this, EVER. I'm just defending a principle here. Dave is a great guy and will give you the shirt off his back if it would help you get your car running. A few months ago when I blew up my MAF, he pulled the one from HIS OWN car and handed it to me to use until I could get a replacement in. However, my point is if no one is allowed to report a negative experience, no matter whose fault it actually is, then we play a game like the old fable of the "Emperor's New Clothes".
Matt is a good guy and the whole crew at Dave's are great people, so it pains me to see this dispute.
Sean: Good seeing you again.
Vents: good meeting you. Hope you have stock in Nitrous companies, cause I think you'll be one of their best customers.
guess I'll wade in:
My Car: Moe just tuned mine inbetween working on Vents' ride last Wednesday. He put in a real good tune and netted me 404 RWTQ out of a "little" LT1 355. The RWHP number was not up to par with what the motor can make, but it wasn't Moe's fault. My stock injectors were at 92-97% duty cycle at WOT, so he left the tune "safe" for the limited ability of my fuel system. I'm upgrading the injectors next week and going back to Nitro Dave's. They are going to cut me a discount on the retune, even though it is my fault (and not their's) for not upgrading my fuel delivery prior to going up there the first time.
Bomax's car: I know all of the people involved and EVERYBODY is a good guy, so I'm sorry to see this dispute. I do not know the ground truth and will not take sides. However, I think it's fugged up for people to criticize Matt for even bringing it up. While I believe in Moe's ability, it's plain and simple communism to say "you're not allowed to say anything negative" about Nitro Dave's or ANY shop for that matter. No shop should be considered "untouchable". Otherwise, eventually, some shops will realize they can shaft a few people here and there and the wronged customer won't be able to hurt their reputation. I don't think Dave would be tempted to do this, EVER. I'm just defending a principle here. Dave is a great guy and will give you the shirt off his back if it would help you get your car running. A few months ago when I blew up my MAF, he pulled the one from HIS OWN car and handed it to me to use until I could get a replacement in. However, my point is if no one is allowed to report a negative experience, no matter whose fault it actually is, then we play a game like the old fable of the "Emperor's New Clothes".
Matt is a good guy and the whole crew at Dave's are great people, so it pains me to see this dispute.
Sean: Good seeing you again.
Vents: good meeting you. Hope you have stock in Nitrous companies, cause I think you'll be one of their best customers.
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Verdad Gallardo Thanks Todd. I was also perplexed to be slammed by 3rd parties who know *nothing* about the situation. 
Oh well...
Anyway, I agree 100% about them being good guys, I don't doubt at all they had good intentions and frankly I don't know what happened either. (Although I do know I didn't edit the tables
) I've dealt with Dave in the past and he was the absolute definition of a perfect business owner. He went far above and beyond the call of duty, and did so with a smile. Anyway, no hard feelings (I think they feel the same) so everything is good in the neighborhood.
Oh well... Anyway, I agree 100% about them being good guys, I don't doubt at all they had good intentions and frankly I don't know what happened either. (Although I do know I didn't edit the tables
) I've dealt with Dave in the past and he was the absolute definition of a perfect business owner. He went far above and beyond the call of duty, and did so with a smile. Anyway, no hard feelings (I think they feel the same) so everything is good in the neighborhood. 
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Originally Posted by TWS
Well damn,
guess I'll wade in:
My Car: Moe just tuned mine inbetween working on Vents' ride last Wednesday. He put in a real good tune and netted me 404 RWTQ out of a "little" LT1 355. The RWHP number was not up to par with what the motor can make, but it wasn't Moe's fault. My stock injectors were at 92-97% duty cycle at WOT, so he left the tune "safe" for the limited ability of my fuel system. I'm upgrading the injectors next week and going back to Nitro Dave's. They are going to cut me a discount on the retune, even though it is my fault (and not their's) for not upgrading my fuel delivery prior to going up there the first time.
Bomax's car: I know all of the people involved and EVERYBODY is a good guy, so I'm sorry to see this dispute. I do not know the ground truth and will not take sides. However, I think it's fugged up for people to criticize Matt for even bringing it up. While I believe in Moe's ability, it's plain and simple communism to say "you're not allowed to say anything negative" about Nitro Dave's or ANY shop for that matter. No shop should be considered "untouchable". Otherwise, eventually, some shops will realize they can shaft a few people here and there and the wronged customer won't be able to hurt their reputation. I don't think Dave would be tempted to do this, EVER. I'm just defending a principle here. Dave is a great guy and will give you the shirt off his back if it would help you get your car running. A few months ago when I blew up my MAF, he pulled the one from HIS OWN car and handed it to me to use until I could get a replacement in. However, my point is if no one is allowed to report a negative experience, no matter whose fault it actually is, then we play a game like the old fable of the "Emperor's New Clothes".
Vents: good meeting you. Hope you have stock in Nitrous companies, cause I think you'll be one of their best customers.
guess I'll wade in:
My Car: Moe just tuned mine inbetween working on Vents' ride last Wednesday. He put in a real good tune and netted me 404 RWTQ out of a "little" LT1 355. The RWHP number was not up to par with what the motor can make, but it wasn't Moe's fault. My stock injectors were at 92-97% duty cycle at WOT, so he left the tune "safe" for the limited ability of my fuel system. I'm upgrading the injectors next week and going back to Nitro Dave's. They are going to cut me a discount on the retune, even though it is my fault (and not their's) for not upgrading my fuel delivery prior to going up there the first time.
Bomax's car: I know all of the people involved and EVERYBODY is a good guy, so I'm sorry to see this dispute. I do not know the ground truth and will not take sides. However, I think it's fugged up for people to criticize Matt for even bringing it up. While I believe in Moe's ability, it's plain and simple communism to say "you're not allowed to say anything negative" about Nitro Dave's or ANY shop for that matter. No shop should be considered "untouchable". Otherwise, eventually, some shops will realize they can shaft a few people here and there and the wronged customer won't be able to hurt their reputation. I don't think Dave would be tempted to do this, EVER. I'm just defending a principle here. Dave is a great guy and will give you the shirt off his back if it would help you get your car running. A few months ago when I blew up my MAF, he pulled the one from HIS OWN car and handed it to me to use until I could get a replacement in. However, my point is if no one is allowed to report a negative experience, no matter whose fault it actually is, then we play a game like the old fable of the "Emperor's New Clothes".
Vents: good meeting you. Hope you have stock in Nitrous companies, cause I think you'll be one of their best customers.
funny thing is, i've not bought one nitrous part on my junk as a brand new piece. (well i take that back, i did buy a bottle nut @ daves..
)now, where's that free bottle fill cupon i had....
* but i hope well be able to work some thing out 
