what are the costs of gen 7 vrs FAST

looking at the fast it seems like ther's alot of junk you need to get to make it compatible (like crank senser, edist box) while the GEN 7 seems to be complete, or am i missing something

for the turbocharged ls1 what is the better value?

 

FAST bank to bank: ~$2000 with FAST wideband sensor
FAST Edist box: ~$300
FAST crank relay: ~$100
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~$2400

I believe the Gen7 is more than that, I think a Gen7 is $2800 or more with the wideband

I just bought a used Edist box for $200 I found a few of them out there.

 

is that the crank relay that they just released?
is the $2400 have everything you need or are there other things like 3 bar map sensor or other add on sensors

whats your experiance so far with the Fast system John?

and i still need edit or hptuner for the stock PCM to change gear ratios clear unneeded codes right?

 

is that set up for a stand alone or can you piggyback the PCM for the other features in the car? like AC, gauges, alarm, locks etc.

 

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What does the Gen7 cost with a wideband?

I am running a bank to bank FAST system, and no Edist. I am still using the factory pcm and harness and LS1 Edit to control my timing and my idle.

I am waiting for the FAST crank signal decoder box that would allow me to run the FAST as a total standalone. I am currently using a crank solution is not showing consistency for me at my power level.

I have been talking to Craig @ FAST about the crank part for four months, it should be out soon, but I have a lot more urgency than they do since I want to dial the car in at the track in early April.

Did I answer all your questions?

 

almost got me cleared up but confused me a little more

if your using edit to control your timing and idle, what is FAST doing
just controling fuel? and reading how much air is coming to aviod the MAF meter limits?

and how are you not using an Edist? i though the ls1 had to. or is that because your not controling timing?
do you plan on using the Edist? once you get your crank sensor?

When you go to standalone do your factory gauges and other things in the car work?
or do you have to switch to aftermarked gauges

what are the benifets of running a standalone over a piggyback?
I take it if i go stand alone i dont have to worry about codes for not having EVAC or No ABS, so i dont have to purchase edit or hptuner.
but will the alarm, locks and such still work?

thanks for the help John.

 

up again

 

I hear the AEM setup is cheaper and better.

 

My Supra tuner contacts tell me the AEM is very good but not as user-friendly as the FAST.

I am running a FAST b/b with no Edist at current. I am using the FAST to control fueling and LS1 Edit to control timing. I am running in speed density so my fueling for boost is working off of my 3 bar map sensor. You would need a 2 bar map sensor for your car. I don't know how Gen7 does it or maybe they add a map sensor too. Once FAST releases the crank signal decoder box, it's a splice-in deal... maybe a plugin. It will converter the factory 58x2? (I forget) signal into a 4x. I will then wire in the Edist and control it all thru the FAST. My gauges will all work except my speedo.

 

I have been looking into the 2 systems. The dfi also usese a 2 or 3 bar map sensor. They are about 500 dollars apart.( with wideband option ) Fast being the cheapest. From what i have been able to find so far. It looks like most people are using the fast system. Thus its the crowd favorit. They both seem to have all the same options. I will be purchasing the fast systme in 2 weeks. Does any one who has it have any warrning for me?? Or advise for the install.

 

I suggest that you talk to someone who has FAST system on an LT1 like INTMD8 and see what parts you need.

I have an extra 2 bar map sensor if you need one, I used it for a few dyno pulls but we went to a 3 bar map sensor.

 

Cool , thanks for your help.!!!

 

Jonathan, I am running a FAST b/b without an Edist, with a Cartek crank interface. The FAST is controlling fuel. The stock pcm, along with LS1 Edit, is controlling timing.

So at this point, it works, it cost around $2300.

Now I am going to use the new FAST crank signal decoder. That means I can control the timing thru the FAST system which is the way to go. I will be then removing the MAF. The MAF currently is still being used to report load to the pcm to affect timing.

A new Edist is $300, and the new Crank Signal Decoder is supposed to be around $100. So realistically you would be around $2600 new if you shop around. I have seen used FAST's for as little as $1500, and used Edists for as little as $200. You could get into a used FAST setup for as little as $2000 if you really look around. Make no mistake, the performance and responsiveness of a FAST system compared to a stock pcm is 10 times better. And you can make changes instantaneously while the car is running. And datalog. And it can make up to 25% fuel changes during a pass.

Okay, now it's my understanding that when I convert over, I could remove the stock pcm and harness but I will loose all the factory gauges. So I am researching what I would need to do to make them work. Worst case I could do aftermarket gauges. But I am more likely to run it as a piggyback since it's almost racing season and I can try aftermarket gauges in the late fall when I have more downtime.

With my setup, a few other things that you might not know. I am running a second IAT sensor, and a second coolant temp sensor. I'm guessing this is necessary as a standalone, but maybe once I do the Edist and the Crank Sig Dec I can remove those or they would be become unnecessary... I don't know but I will find out.

 

We are trying to put a group purchas together for fast system's. We need 5 more people to make it happen. Any one want in.??/

 

I m very interested. Depends on price ofcourse.
Which wide band does the fast use? Hence how much is a replacement?
email me if this looks like a possiblty.

1320jon@***.net

 

ok thanks John
so most likely my needs would keep it as a piggyback, with the controls to control fuel and timing.
i think im still aways from getting it, but hopefully next year i can fit it into my budget.

 

FAST sytems use their proprietary wideband.

If I go standalone I lose tach and speedo. I already lost speedo when I went T400 (which can be addressed by adding a sensor to the T400) so I think I will go standalone once I have the car up and running with the other FAST parts.

 

John where did you buy your system from?? I have been getting quotes from all over the place and I'm surprised to see the massive differance in prices. The biggest being the harness(to piggy back with the stock pcm).

 

I got my FAST system from Cartek.

PM me if you have any questions.