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Old Apr 8, 2013 | 09:11 PM
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on EFI live, how the **** do i copy my LTFT log map and past it to the VE table to make corrections???

what are the red cells with like 300 counts vs the green ones with like 10??

how the hell does this translate to correction?

i'm lost.
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Old Apr 8, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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Did you already build a map of the VE table using the ltft Ben to populate it? If so its just a matter of getting a good log and paste/multiply it to the VE table. Then hand smooth until all cells are between .98-1.0 make sure to clear the trims between logs too
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For switching from cell counts to averages just toggle between the x/n on the tool bar above the map
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Old Apr 8, 2013 | 09:36 PM
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this is the MAP i logged.
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Old Apr 8, 2013 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by outkast6991
For switching from cell counts to averages just toggle between the x/n on the tool bar above the map
that's exactly what i was looking for. thanks.

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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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Can you explain your process of adjusting the VE table with the LTFT's? I've never heard of that before. I've been using Calc.VET w/o a wideband but was told by a renowned tuner that I shouldn't do this.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 09:05 AM
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Can you explain your process of adjusting the VE table with the LTFT's? I've never heard of that before. I've been using Calc.VET w/o a wideband but was told by a renowned tuner that I shouldn't do this.
You shouldn't be messing with anything air/fuel related without a wideband.

How are you even running calc.vet without a wideband? Wideband reading of lamda is one of the primary PIDs needed to calculate the tables you need.


A $120 lc1 and a $20 TAQuickness cable is a lot easier on the wallet than an engine rebuild.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 09:08 AM
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Can you explain your process of adjusting the VE table with the LTFT's? I've never heard of that before. I've been using Calc.VET w/o a wideband but was told by a renowned tuner that I shouldn't do this.
Put it in SD mode. Reset LTFT's. Log. Copy and "past and add" into VE table. Hand smooth. Repeat until close to zero.

How are you running calc.vet without a wideband?? Didnt think that was possible.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 09:08 AM
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This holds true for EFI and HP. You can use the NB O2's to get all of your normal non WOT stuff inline. It uses the LTFT +/- %. If it's negative, the VE table should have that % of fuel removed in the corresponding cell. I usually multiply by half of the value required to keep from overshooting the proper value.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
You shouldn't be messing with anything air/fuel related without a wideband.

A $120 lc1 and a $20 TAQuickness cable is a lot easier on the wallet than an engine rebuild.

I spent months trying to get my LC-1 to read onto EFI live with no success.... analog or serial....A waste of $120, several threads on ls1tech and the EFIlive forum, and many hours. So now I'm street tuning with narrowbands and PE tuning with the WBO2 that's on the dyno.
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Originally Posted by rumblebox
How are you running calc.vet without a wideband?? Didnt think that was possible.
I honestly don't know how it works, or if it worked, but joecar helped me on the efilive forum. See post #24 of this link: http://forum.efilive.com/showthread....g-w-o-Wideband

Anyone know what I did?

It runs fine, and honestly runs better than before. LTFT's are also closer to 0 than before but still sometimes get up to +5%.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferocity02
It runs fine, and honestly runs better than before. LTFT's are also closer to 0 than before but still sometimes get up to +5%.
how are the STFT's?
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Originally Posted by rumblebox
how are the STFT's?
Haven't looked at them.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rumblebox
I spent months trying to get my LC-1 to read onto EFI live with no success.... analog or serial....A waste of $120, several threads on ls1tech and the EFIlive forum, and many hours. So now I'm street tuning with narrowbands and PE tuning with the WBO2 that's on the dyno.
What issue were you having? Did you try exchanging the controller for a new one?

Mine works perfect, also have a few friends who have them working.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
What issue were you having? Did you try exchanging the controller for a new one?

Mine works perfect, also have a few friends who have them working.
i checked the voltage output from the LC-1 box, and it was normal. but no matter how many tutorials or advice i read, i couldnt get the calc.vet to work or even register a WB reading on the black box. the only thing i could get to work is the NB simulator to the PCM.

i still have it in the other(wrecked) car shell. i may try one more time to get it to work.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rumblebox
i checked the voltage output from the LC-1 box, and it was normal. but no matter how many tutorials or advice i read, i couldnt get the calc.vet to work or even register a WB reading on the black box. the only thing i could get to work is the NB simulator to the PCM.

i still have it in the other(wrecked) car shell. i may try one more time to get it to work.
strange...I just plug mine into the V2 box and you can have it display on the V2 or on the EFI live program on the computer

if you haven't done so you might try PM'ing joecar for tips or tricks getting it working
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 06:06 PM
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just make sure you have the correct calc.pid for the LC1 and you should be good. The wb makes tuning sooo much easier than using ltfts
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 08:17 PM
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Joecar is the one who worked with me for months.
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 06:57 PM
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Last I remember was Innovate was sending rumblebox a replacement LC-1...

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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 06:59 PM
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rumblebox,

did you get the serial comms cable wired up correctly...?
did you plug the terminator plug into the LC-1 SERIAL IN...?
did you configure V2 to recognize the LC-1 (can be done with V8 S&T or with V2 LCD/menu)...?
did you find the V2 LCD menu item for displaying realtime wideband data...?


pm me your phone number, I can call you during the week.

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