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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by decipha
keep in mind there's a bunch of variables in the ECU that the tuning software doesn't give you access to, like more than half
I don't think a lot of them understand that.
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 03:30 PM
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And some of them can cause dangerous things or permanently damage the PCM if a wrong value is entered
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 04:11 PM
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I prefer using the maf most of the time.

Sd is used by us mostly on turbo, supercharged or very big camed cars. When in sd we shut off the 02's too. Have many cars tuned liked that and have been for a long time with no failures. So I'd say it can be safe.
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MontecarloDrag
And some of them can cause dangerous things or permanently damage the PCM if a wrong value is entered
Yeah, other than the wrong value damaging the PCM. Your mistaken there.
They have done a pretty good job of dumbing their software down for general consumption.

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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joecar
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PE is a fueling table... PE does not add fuel on top of VE or MAF... if active, PE specifies the desired/commanded fueling (if its operating point/cell is the richest of the currently active fueling tables) indendently of VE or MAF... (and, if CL was present, the last/learnt positive LTFT is added on top of PE fueling).
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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MontecarloDrag
I know, but I wanted to write it in a way it can be understood by someone who doesn't even know what VE and PE means
Ok, no worries... I was using your post as a platform :^)
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Wright
Originally Posted by decipha
keep in mind there's a bunch of variables in the ECU that the tuning software doesn't give you access to, like more than half
I don't think a lot of them understand that.
Not just the missing variables... we don't have access to the algorithms tying the known and unknown variables together.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 12:09 AM
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Something not mentioned yet:

running SD means a MAF DTC has to be present... this disables HO/LO adaptive spark and defaults to the LO spark table.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by joecar
Not just the missing variables... we don't have access to the algorithms tying the known and unknown variables together.
Many very simple and very useful. If you knew what you aren't seeing, you would wonder why they were left out.


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Something not mentioned yet:

running SD means a MAF DTC has to be present... this disables HO/LO adaptive spark and defaults to the LO spark table.
More to it than that.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Wright
Many very simple and very useful. If you knew what you aren't seeing, you would wonder why they were left out.
Yes, I have an idea, but I don't have the means to dig deeper... and I already really do wonder why they're not all just simply included.

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More to it than that.
Yes, there would be more (of which I admit I don't know enough of)... but one of the side-effects is the transmission line pressure calculation (especially when from the factory, for some vehicles, the MAF DTC's are turned off in the trans fault tables), an unsuspecting software user can end up with a burnt trans...


Edit: reworded because I couldn't understand my sentence... you'd think I was English deficient...
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So is it true that in a boosted application you must use SD?
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 96redcamaro
So is it true that in a boosted application you must use SD?
Only is some people's minds.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 96redcamaro
So is it true that in a boosted application you must use SD?
You clearly have not read this short thread at all.

"No" you don't have to use SD in boosted cars.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
You clearly have not read this short thread at all.

"No" you don't have to use SD in boosted cars.
The only place in this short thread where i see that you dont have to use a MAF is here

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The biggest advantage of the SD that I can see is that at a certain point (especially in high HP boosted cars) that your MAF will be maxed out, and you'll need a tuner who really knows their stuff to tune after its maxed.
I'm sorry but that just isn't enough for me.

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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 11:10 AM
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Nowhere in the thread does anyone say you have to have SD tuning on a boosted car, nor does anyone hint that you would.

In fact I think Ed has made it clear he still prefers MAF tuning in boosted cars.

SD tuning is what a lot of guys use just because it doesn't take as much effort after the MAF is maxed (as I said in my post that seemed to confuse you, or you needed more info on).

Once the MAF is maxed, a tuner will need to adjust and compensate for the PE tables that are no longer being read. It definately can be done though (its been done to my car several times successfully).
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
Nowhere in the thread does anyone say you have to have SD tuning on a boosted car, nor does anyone hint that you would.
Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Sd is used by us mostly on turbo, supercharged or very big camed cars. When in sd we shut off the 02's too. Have many cars tuned liked that and have been for a long time with no failures. So I'd say it can be safe.
That might be a hint

Originally Posted by CALL911
In fact I think Ed has made it clear he still prefers MAF tuning in boosted cars.

SD tuning is what a lot of guys use just because it doesn't take as much effort after the MAF is maxed (as I said in my post that seemed to confuse you, or you needed more info on).

Once the MAF is maxed, a tuner will need to adjust and compensate for the PE tables that are no longer being read. It definately can be done though (its been done to my car several times successfully).
It did not confuse me, no need to make personal attacks. i just wanted to be more sure and get more info.

Thank you for your response. I'm sorry if i offended you some how.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
Once the MAF is maxed, a tuner will need to adjust and compensate for the PE tables that are no longer being read. It definately can be done though (its been done to my car several times successfully).
I have to wonder who told you the PE table is "no longer being read" after the MAF maxes? Absolutely false. Blower cars have a predictable boost curve. Turbo cars, often not.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 01:57 PM
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Perhaps I misspoke, what I meant was that data was needed to be input past when the MAF was maxed.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 96redcamaro

It did not confuse me, no need to make personal attacks. i just wanted to be more sure and get more info.

Thank you for your response. I'm sorry if i offended you some how.
It seemed to me this question was more obvious and covered in the thread. I would consider; "you clearly have not read this short thread" more or less telling you to read through the thread first more than a personal attack.


At any rate; now that this thread is officially off topic, I would like to open it up for more people to input info on MAF vs SD tuning.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
Perhaps I misspoke, what I meant was that data was needed to be input past when the MAF was maxed.
Since belt driven blower's boost are RPM related, it is no big deal to fuel them past the MAF maxing out.
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