PCM Diagnostics & Tuning HP Tuners | Holley | Diablo

Speed Density & Inspection

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 19, 2013 | 07:51 PM
  #1  
ss performance's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 634
Likes: 1
From: Southern NJ
Default Speed Density & Inspection

I am thinking about switching to speed density and am wondering if anyone has figured out how to pass inspection with it.

Here in New Jersey they plug into the OBD2 port. basicly if you don't have any codes you pass inspection.

Any input form tuners would be helpful.
Reply
Old Nov 19, 2013 | 08:08 PM
  #2  
607motorsports's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
From: Horseheads, NY
Default

I'm in NY and we have the same kind of inspection. I have my car tuned via 2 bar SD on my turbo setup and I have a tune that I built specifically to pass inspection. The car has passed 2 years now without any issues. Do you have HPTuners?
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2013 | 07:33 PM
  #3  
BLK02WS6's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,583
Likes: 1
From: on the dyno tuning in MD
Default

I did one for a guy recently where we put in a disconnect on the MAF signal wire - connect it up and drive it easy (out of boost/low boost) for emissions - disconnect it and it is back to the 2 Bar speed density... I used EFILive and the MAF table is tuned for when the MAF is connected.
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2013 | 07:42 PM
  #4  
ss performance's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 634
Likes: 1
From: Southern NJ
Default

No I don't have any tuning software. I am kind of afraid to do my own tuning. I have never done it and am afraid I would mess it up. I would hate to hurt my engine. I'm not FI but I know it's still possible to hurt it.

Thanks
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2013 | 07:59 PM
  #5  
BLK02WS6's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,583
Likes: 1
From: on the dyno tuning in MD
Default

If you are not FI, why are you going speed density? big cam?
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2013 | 08:03 PM
  #6  
ss performance's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 634
Likes: 1
From: Southern NJ
Default

Big cam & going with a Super Victor intake.

The super victor has the best potential for high HP NA.
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2013 | 09:50 PM
  #7  
DMM's Avatar
DMM
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,756
Likes: 4
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by BLK02WS6
I did one for a guy recently where we put in a disconnect on the MAF signal wire - connect it up and drive it easy (out of boost/low boost) for emissions - disconnect it and it is back to the 2 Bar speed density... I used EFILive and the MAF table is tuned for when the MAF is connected.
I just did this myself Monday. Reinstalled and tuned it on the MAF for about 30 mins (I retained the 2 BAR SD tune, just with the MAF) then disabled a whole bunch of DTC's and it blew right through. Once they started it up, the manager came over to my car...I thought I was screwed b/c of the cam...guy looked over the car and nodded approvingly. Good for another two years.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2013 | 06:51 PM
  #8  
BLK02WS6's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,583
Likes: 1
From: on the dyno tuning in MD
Default

One way to do it would be to use a carb hat (like they do for blow-through carb setups) and connect it to a MAF sensor and factory airlid for emissions purposes... then take it off and use an air filter or whatever you planned on the TB... It would require a tune like I described above with both the MAF and speed density built into the tune. Here is the type of carb hat I'm talking about: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/190728226546?lpid=82
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

 Brett Foote
story-1

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-8

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-9

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Nov 21, 2013 | 07:46 PM
  #9  
Ed Wright's Avatar
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,397
Likes: 9
From: Tulsa, OK
Default

Originally Posted by ss performance
Big cam & going with a Super Victor intake.

The super victor has the best potential for high HP NA.
You could still run an 85mm MAF from a truck, or a GTO (512 grams), etc. They flow right at 1000 CFM, more than your engine is likely to ever pump.
Like running a Holley Dominator for a carb.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2013 | 08:45 PM
  #10  
ss performance's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 634
Likes: 1
From: Southern NJ
Default

Originally Posted by Ed Wright
You could still run an 85mm MAF from a truck, or a GTO (512 grams), etc. They flow right at 1000 CFM, more than your engine is likely to ever pump.
Like running a Holley Dominator for a carb.
To do that I would have to run an elbow. Running an elbow knocks the hp in the dirt.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2013 | 08:54 PM
  #11  
ramairetransam's Avatar
TECH Junkie
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,462
Likes: 75
From: Amsterdam Ny, the good part
Default

im sd tuned and have no maf and dont put one on to pass the plug in. Its all in the tune .
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2013 | 08:58 PM
  #12  
Ed Wright's Avatar
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,397
Likes: 9
From: Tulsa, OK
Default

Kidding, right?
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2013 | 06:51 AM
  #13  
ramairetransam's Avatar
TECH Junkie
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,462
Likes: 75
From: Amsterdam Ny, the good part
Default

Ed who are you talking to ???
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2013 | 07:06 AM
  #14  
93v8clone's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 448
Likes: 0
From: new york
Default

By technicality if inspector looks at it all on the visual it won't pass ! But as far as computer scan goes it will as the nys comp isn't smart enough to fail it yet . As long as no cel. Is on your fine . Unf at the new year cars 03 up won't pass with a tune as the comp is designed to see it on 03 and newer cars . I built ramairtransam car and I'm a nysi I know what it takes to go or no go
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2013 | 07:58 AM
  #15  
Slowhawk's Avatar
LS1Tech Sponsor
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 14,865
Likes: 6
From: Bridgewater,Ma
Default

We tune OLSD a lot and they all pass the plug in test. It can be done easily.

My personal race car passed as it sits.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2013 | 08:03 AM
  #16  
Ed Wright's Avatar
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,397
Likes: 9
From: Tulsa, OK
Default

Originally Posted by ramairetransam
Ed who are you talking to ???
Sorry. Should have quoted. Your post wasn't there when I typed that. An elbow in the duct won't "put the power in the dumper". Nobody with several years of dyno testing would say that about a head & cam car.

Again, sorry I didn't click on Quote, to eliminate confusion.

Btw, I did some SD tuning before hpt ever existed. It can be done with MAF codes completely shut off, so the codes don't show up at all. You have to tweak the MAF testing parameters. Takes a hex editor.

Last edited by Ed Wright; Nov 22, 2013 at 08:08 AM.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2013 | 09:40 AM
  #17  
ramairetransam's Avatar
TECH Junkie
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,462
Likes: 75
From: Amsterdam Ny, the good part
Default

you had me scratching my head Ed , thanks for the clarification.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2013 | 12:31 AM
  #18  
XLR84FUN's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by ss performance
No I don't have any tuning software. I am kind of afraid to do my own tuning. I have never done it and am afraid I would mess it up. I would hate to hurt my engine. I'm not FI but I know it's still possible to hurt it.

Thanks
Spend some time reading my friend. Get a solid base map and spend some time in light load situations where you can't hurt anything. Timing hurts engines. For NA, running lean at high RPM simply makes them cut out.

There is no black magic to tuning. Just methodical systems working as one. And learning that system takes patience.

You got this!
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:21 AM.

story-0
6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

Don't get dad new socks or a grill brush this year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-04 18:13:20


VIEW MORE
story-1
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-2
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-6
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-9
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE