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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Ive recently gone to SD from MAF...

I went from SLP Lid, MAF, PP TB, LS6 intake to FAST 92mm intake and FAST 92mm TB, SD and 104 FTP lid

I cant get a tune right now....ive got a SES light and im sure its cause there is now NO MAF......
so with the MORE air going in.....does tha make me LEAN? will it hurt to drive until i can make it to TICK to get a re-tune?
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You'll need a tune for sure, but without having an air/fuel gauge, no real way to tell how lean you are now. I can guarantee you're leaner than you were before because you completely overhauled and upgraded the intake system. My advice would be to baby that thing like there's no tomorrow if you have to drive it before getting a re-tune.
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 02:51 PM
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depends how well the VE was tuned before but regardless of that you made a significant change to the breathing of the car...I agree with Rise, I wouldn't even think about going WOT

there's a difference between "going SD" and just pulling the MAF off a car tuned to run with a MAF
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ive got a Wide band ...so i'll have to see.

yeah i was told dont go WOT but it should be fine to cruise around and drive to Mt Airy NC when i have to head that way for a tune.

im wondering how much im up in power vs my old setup.

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Tell us once you get it re-tuned. I would venture to say after the re-tune, you'll be up 20 hp or more.
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Won't there always be a DTC when going SD?
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oh hell yeah...no doubt i will
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whats DTC?
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Originally Posted by scotty2000ss
Won't there always be a DTC when going SD?
yes, the light can be turned off but the trouble code for MAF will be present (this is according to a recent thread in the tuning section here)
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
yes, the light can be turned off but the trouble code for MAF will be present (this is according to a recent thread in the tuning section here)
That's what I thought. My tuners said I can't pass NYS inspection with a DTC present
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So there is a fail-safe in the computer to keep him from going too lean?
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...des-dtc-s.html
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whats DTC?
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 07:00 PM
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The o2 sensors will keep the engine operating at the proper AFR during light throttle conditions regardless of the type of tune you have. They might have bigger swings that before, but in the end you still get roughly the same number (given that the previous tune was done correctly touching the VE table).

Don't go WOT though or heavily on the throttle and you will be fine.
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Originally Posted by redtan
The o2 sensors will keep the engine operating at the proper AFR during light throttle conditions regardless of the type of tune you have. They might have bigger swings that before, but in the end you still get roughly the same number (given that the previous tune was done correctly touching the VE table).

Don't go WOT though or heavily on the throttle and you will be fine.
Not all tunes. My o2 sensors are tuned out on my SD tune so they don't regulate anything.
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Not all tunes. My o2 sensors are tuned out on my SD tune so they don't regulate anything.
Well yeah, but he never mentioned anything about open loop. Just going from a regular CLMAF tune to CLSD (most likely) will still have the o2s working.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
Not all tunes. My o2 sensors are tuned out on my SD tune so they don't regulate anything.
Why would you go OLSD? Just curious...
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
Why would you go OLSD? Just curious...
I was having issues with front o2's, and my tuner said we could go OLSD, which took care of that, and he commands things so that I run pretty damn lean, with the exception of WOT, and when I'm at WOT, air/fuel is perfect. I get great gas mileage for what the car is, and it's safe when I'm killing things around town.
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I was having issues with front o2's, and my tuner said we could go OLSD, which took care of that, and he commands things so that I run pretty damn lean, with the exception of WOT, and when I'm at WOT, air/fuel is perfect. I get great gas mileage for what the car is, and it's safe when I'm killing things around town.
Do you have dual widebands to monitor AFRs at all time? What sort of fueling do you have around town?
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Originally Posted by redtan

Do you have dual widebands to monitor AFRs at all time? What sort of fueling do you have around town?
One wideband on driver's side. Fuel pressure on my Glowshift elecric gauge reads around 65 psi cruising.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
Tell us once you get it re-tuned. I would venture to say after the re-tune, you'll be up 20 hp or more.
That's funny, I lost about 22hp power going to SD. And from a tuner just learning about big cams to one of the best in the southwest. I know all different dynos but a dynojet -491rwhp, twice and a mustang dyno -474rwhp. after SD tune - 468rwhp on dynojet, but that was ok with me because at least the car would stay idling ( RIP ) old friend, lol
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