PCM Diagnostics & Tuning HP Tuners | Holley | Diablo

Starts but won't idle

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 09:30 AM
  #1  
B_pursell's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default Starts but won't idle

1998 Trans at 6.0 LQ4 swapped. Got it started. But it won't idle longer than a minute, sometimes you can feather the gas and it'll stay alive. But won't just idle. It's getting a low signal from the cam sensor code but that's it. I know that won't help but it shouldn't keep it from running. But I could be wrong. I was thinking it could be the security system cutting fuel but it wouldn't be able to stay running with giving it gas then would it? I also thought idle air control solenoid but haven't had the time to check it and see what it looks like. It has been tuned, and it is on its second pcm so it is not a computer thing.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 10:23 AM
  #2  
JakeFusion's Avatar
Super Hulk Smash
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,258
Likes: 146
From: Pace, FL
Default

It has been tuned for the swap?

Sounds like you need more base airflow as it warms up. So to me, it seems like the tune isn't right. That's the easiest thing to fix.

Another thing to try would be to open the set screw on the TB up 1/8 or a turn or so. If you have to feather it to stay alive, you need more airflow. Pure and simple.

And the cam sensor doesn't help, but won't cut off the fuel. It makes startup harder.

And VATS cuts fuel at startup. So it's not that.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 12:48 PM
  #3  
B_pursell's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JakeFusion
It has been tuned for the swap?

Sounds like you need more base airflow as it warms up. So to me, it seems like the tune isn't right. That's the easiest thing to fix.

Another thing to try would be to open the set screw on the TB up 1/8 or a turn or so. If you have to feather it to stay alive, you need more airflow. Pure and simple.

And the cam sensor doesn't help, but won't cut off the fuel. It makes startup harder.

And VATS cuts fuel at startup. So it's not that.
It was tuned for the swap and the injectors. But the computer before it had the exact same problem so I don't believe it's computer related. I could be wrong. And it also doesn't get better as it gets warm. It does the same thing no matter what. But it has idled perfectly on its own a few times for a minute or 2 but it always ends up dying
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 04:55 PM
  #4  
Old Geezer's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 5,639
Likes: 71
From: GA, USA
Default

And, fuel psi is?
Data log it.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 05:09 PM
  #5  
B_pursell's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Old Geezer
And, fuel psi is?
Data log it.
28-35 but 98's are known for low pressure
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 06:05 PM
  #6  
JakeFusion's Avatar
Super Hulk Smash
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,258
Likes: 146
From: Pace, FL
Default

Put a mechanical fuel pressure gauge on it. Although I had a bleeding line from the pump to the hat in my fuel basket, and it made starting hard... it would idle once the pump was primed. It would just lean out up top.

The other things to check are the coils/plugs and make sure you're getting sufficient spark.

Always start with the big 3 - fuel, air, and spark. And troubleshoot each before moving to the next.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 07:11 PM
  #7  
B_pursell's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Put a mechanical fuel pressure gauge on it. Although I had a bleeding line from the pump to the hat in my fuel basket, and it made starting hard... it would idle once the pump was primed. It would just lean out up top.

The other things to check are the coils/plugs and make sure you're getting sufficient spark.

Always start with the big 3 - fuel, air, and spark. And troubleshoot each before moving to the next.
I just tightened that screw on the TB. Don't wanna start it yet because there's a blown fuse. I'm going to get a new fuse and possibly an IAC motor just to be sure. If this doesn't work I'll go to fuel and then coils. I'll let you know how it goes when I get back
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 07:16 PM
  #8  
JakeFusion's Avatar
Super Hulk Smash
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,258
Likes: 146
From: Pace, FL
Default

I wouldn't tighten it - I'd open it up more. Typically when the motor warms up, the IAC motor closes down... so at cold start you may have sufficient airflow to keep it alive, but as it warms up and the IAC counts start to drop, it may drop too much and kill it.

So I'd open the TB some more to allow the IAC some control over the idle.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jan 28, 2017 | 06:30 AM
  #9  
Old Geezer's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 5,639
Likes: 71
From: GA, USA
Question Huh??

Originally Posted by B_pursell
28-35 but 98's are known for low pressure
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2017 | 12:44 PM
  #10  
B_pursell's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JakeFusion
I wouldn't tighten it - I'd open it up more. Typically when the motor warms up, the IAC motor closes down... so at cold start you may have sufficient airflow to keep it alive, but as it warms up and the IAC counts start to drop, it may drop too much and kill it.

So I'd open the TB some more to allow the IAC some control over the idle.
we got it. Maf sensor was bad. We unplugged it and it ran completely fine. Bought a new one and it solved our problems.
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2017 | 12:44 PM
  #11  
B_pursell's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Old Geezer
98's are weird. They have low pressure at the rails. I've seen them hot idle at 40psi
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2017 | 11:30 PM
  #12  
MY_2K_Z's Avatar
TECH Addict
10 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,144
Likes: 43
From: Houston
Default

Originally Posted by B_pursell
28-35 but 98's are known for low pressure
You need to fix this asap. And no it's not common nor is ok to run that low.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2017 | 09:24 AM
  #13  
Darth_V8r's Avatar
Moderator
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 10,450
Likes: 1,873
From: My own internal universe
Default

You'll need 53-58 psi to run right
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2017 | 10:53 AM
  #14  
2xLS1's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 5,649
Likes: 9
From: Warr Acres, OK
Default

Originally Posted by B_pursell
98's are weird. They have low pressure at the rails. I've seen them hot idle at 40psi
LOL. No they don't. They have normal 4 bar fuel pressure.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:40 PM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE