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Old May 6, 2024 | 01:16 PM
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That's Boundary - Normal ECT - Normal RPM
I am going to give that a try while I am waiting on the new injectors
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Old May 6, 2024 | 02:43 PM
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I don't understand why people continue to use AFR for tuning is beyond me. I think a lot of it is people just don't understand. That and Lambda is the metris system and AFR is imperical.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but go Lambda and forget you ever heard of AFR.
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Old May 6, 2024 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LilJayV10
I don't understand why people continue to use AFR for tuning is beyond me. I think a lot of it is people just don't understand. That and Lambda is the metris system and AFR is imperical.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but go Lambda and forget you ever heard of AFR.
Well one of the biggest reasons AFR will never go away is that there are plenty of current popular computers that operate using AFR only and do not reference lambda.
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Old May 6, 2024 | 04:45 PM
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I have to use Lambda because of the injector scaling.
If you started tuning with AFR, and switched to Lambda, it gets confusing because in a tune, let's say you want WOT to be .79 L. That's still referencing AFR at 11.5. In the same tune, it asks you to select numbers for PE which are referencing AFR, 14.68/1.27=11.5. Then throw in E85 and all the other fuels.
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Well one of the biggest reasons AFR will never go away is that there are plenty of current popular computers that operate using AFR only and do not reference lambda.
Agreed. It took Holley EFI freaking years to put it in.

I honestly think it's because people hate the metric system so much.

Lambda is the only thing in the metric system that I use.
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It’s just an arbitrary unit, really. If you leave it on gas scale it will still work ‘fine’ if you use 14.6 as stoic.
all gauges just convert internally from lambda to ‘display units’ not really any differently than voltage to your choice of arbitrary pressure units for transducers.
I’ve been trying to convert to lambda but afr is just so ingrained in my thought process I’m constantly converting gas afrs to lambda for reference.
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Old May 7, 2024 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LilJayV10
Agreed. It took Holley EFI freaking years to put it in.
Well even then it's just a checkbox to show your AFR target as lambda, nothing else is really populated with lambda.

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I honestly think it's because people hate the metric system so much. Lambda is the only thing in the metric system that I use.
Metric? It has nothing to do with Metric vs Standard. Lambda is the ratio between the actual AFR and the stoichiometric AFR of the fuel, while AFR is just the ratio between the mass of oxygen and fuel.
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