Let's see your VE graph after tuning..
02-19-2005, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
yeah I noticed that they have it running pig rich and that the spark table is all messed up.
as stated before I wouldn't want anyone touching my stuff after reviewing some of these tunes. after seeing what Mr. Wright did for me three years ago I feel like some tuners are the biggest scammers in the industry.
as stated before I wouldn't want anyone touching my stuff after reviewing some of these tunes. after seeing what Mr. Wright did for me three years ago I feel like some tuners are the biggest scammers in the industry.
02-20-2005, 12:07 AM
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one kid around my parts just got a STS kit and the local tuner had HIM buy LS1Edit 
and ATap so the "tuner" can tweak it on his dyno. LOL I can't wait to see what that one looks like. I told the kid to return everything if he can because its gonna cost him over a grand just for the LS1Edit software, scanner, dyno time and tune and it still won't be right. Not only that, the poor kid is stuck with LS1Edit when there is are so many alternatives out there. The "tuner" then told him that if he has any issues after the tune that he can just call him up and he'll tell the kid what to "change" over the phone 
Nothing like having a newbie blindly making changes to a boosted application
and ATap so the "tuner" can tweak it on his dyno. LOL I can't wait to see what that one looks like. I told the kid to return everything if he can because its gonna cost him over a grand just for the LS1Edit software, scanner, dyno time and tune and it still won't be right. Not only that, the poor kid is stuck with LS1Edit when there is are so many alternatives out there. The "tuner" then told him that if he has any issues after the tune that he can just call him up and he'll tell the kid what to "change" over the phone Nothing like having a newbie blindly making changes to a boosted application
02-20-2005, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
one kid around my parts just got a STS kit and the local tuner had HIM buy LS1Edit and ATap so the "tuner" can tweak it on his dyno. LOL I can't wait to see what that one looks like. I told the kid to return everything if he can because its gonna cost him over a grand just for the LS1Edit software, scanner, dyno time and tune and it still won't be right. Not only that, the poor kid is stuck with LS1Edit when there is are so many alternatives out there. The "tuner" then told him that if he has any issues after the tune that he can just call him up and he'll tell the kid what to "change" over the phone
Nothing like having a newbie blindly making changes to a boosted application
and ATap so the "tuner" can tweak it on his dyno. LOL I can't wait to see what that one looks like. I told the kid to return everything if he can because its gonna cost him over a grand just for the LS1Edit software, scanner, dyno time and tune and it still won't be right. Not only that, the poor kid is stuck with LS1Edit when there is are so many alternatives out there. The "tuner" then told him that if he has any issues after the tune that he can just call him up and he'll tell the kid what to "change" over the phone Nothing like having a newbie blindly making changes to a boosted application
02-20-2005, 12:40 AM
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last I talked to him he already got Edit and opened it. I think I depressed him though after ranting on about how he's getting ripped because I haven't heard from him since. I'm gonna try and help him as much as I can though, I'd hate to see him kill the car.
It's a nice lookin '01 SS too!
It's a nice lookin '01 SS too!
02-20-2005, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sscam68
hehe, funny how freely the word "tuner" is used.
We've got a local shop that can "tune anything", what a bunch of naive fools.
We've got a local shop that can "tune anything", what a bunch of naive fools.
Some people are stuck in the carb and obdI days, things have changed.
02-20-2005, 01:15 AM
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I have attached my VE map for my 00 T/A with bolt ons (i.e. TR headers, TSP X, LS6, ported TB etc etc etc.). I just did this today in fact so I am still getting things dialed in.
I haven't smoothed it out yet, thinking about writting an algorithm to handle that portion though. Also help fill in some of the dead spots.
FWIW
I haven't smoothed it out yet, thinking about writting an algorithm to handle that portion though. Also help fill in some of the dead spots.
FWIW
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02-20-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
Does it look anything like this?? 
You've got some serious smoothing out to do!
Did you record your AFR from cold start?
I tested both cold start and hot start AFR readings around idle and they were both different. I don't know of the PCM was doing any kind of "learning" since this was the first time I started trying to dial in the VE table but it was extremely lean around 16:1. It eventually settled to about 14:X. The graphs I posted are the differences between the stock VE on two different runs. It looks similar to what you have in the low range.
I am still not sure if I should start trying to record and dial my VE in during cold starts. I am going to try and reproduce the same resultes if I can.
02-20-2005, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sscam68
You've got some serious smoothing out to do!
Did you record your AFR from cold start?
I tested both cold start and hot start AFR readings around idle and they were both different. I don't know of the PCM was doing any kind of "learning" since this was the first time I started trying to dial in the VE table but it was extremely lean around 16:1. It eventually settled to about 14:X. The graphs I posted are the differences between the stock VE on two different runs. It looks similar to what you have in the low range.
I am still not sure if I should start trying to record and dial my VE in during cold starts. I am going to try and reproduce the same resultes if I can.
Did you record your AFR from cold start?
I tested both cold start and hot start AFR readings around idle and they were both different. I don't know of the PCM was doing any kind of "learning" since this was the first time I started trying to dial in the VE table but it was extremely lean around 16:1. It eventually settled to about 14:X. The graphs I posted are the differences between the stock VE on two different runs. It looks similar to what you have in the low range.
I am still not sure if I should start trying to record and dial my VE in during cold starts. I am going to try and reproduce the same resultes if I can.
If your air injection is still hooked up you may be seeing the effects of it when you first start the engine.
I would dial in it at full operating temp this way you wont be figitng againt chages in the weather on mornings when its 50* out or in the noon when its 80* out. Full op temp removes this variable
02-20-2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
If your air injection is still hooked up you may be seeing the effects of it when you first start the engine.
I would dial in it at full operating temp this way you wont be figitng againt chages in the weather on mornings when its 50* out or in the noon when its 80* out. Full op temp removes this variable
I would dial in it at full operating temp this way you wont be figitng againt chages in the weather on mornings when its 50* out or in the noon when its 80* out. Full op temp removes this variable
Thanks Humpin
All the emissions stuff has been removed though.....
Its raining out so I don't think I'll get a chance to do anything today
02-20-2005, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy
I'm pretty new to the HPTuning thing. Anyone wanna comment on how mine looks?
Basically stock setup
Basically stock setup
Here's a couple for y'all! Wideband SD Tuning, right before MAF recalibration... Full Bolt-on, TR 230/224 Cam... I gotta say, driving is quite nice!
Made the same dyno #s on this tune as shown in sig! 
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