New to tuning
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New to tuning I am thinking about trying to learn to just tune my own car. I figure i will need several tunes and it would be cheaper for me to just buy the stuff myself and tune it myself. Since its a lot of money each time you get a tune done. So my question is:
1. What are all the things needed to tune?
2. Can i tune on the street only, or do i need to dyno tune also?
3. Anything else about learning to tune and stuff required would be really helpful?
BTW i already downloaded the sticky tuning 101, so i have that as a basic to start with. If possible id like to put a basic tune on my car by next month.
1. What are all the things needed to tune?
2. Can i tune on the street only, or do i need to dyno tune also?
3. Anything else about learning to tune and stuff required would be really helpful?
BTW i already downloaded the sticky tuning 101, so i have that as a basic to start with. If possible id like to put a basic tune on my car by next month.
That document is good and should a good start. All you need is HPTuners and it is the tuning/scanning software package. Since you have stock internals, the tweaks should not be far off. Start with making a 30-40 minute log and see what the car is actually doing. Since you have Air Induction Mods, I would suspect the MAF Table will need tweaked. The fans will need adjusted with the new thermostat.
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So all i need to do is buy the hp tuners. Hptuner allows me to change almost everything if need be. Can i tune after a new rear-end, cam, heads, turbo, and anything else? What hptuner setup do i need to get. I see there are a few different kinds to choose from, and can i use it with a PDA, which PDA's work with hptuners.
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Yes to all your questions about "can i tune after ...."
Go to their website (www.hptuners.com), under products, you can download the complete manual... it's a long read but explains alot of the tables you can modify ... there's ALOT it lets you modify
You'll want the base HP Tuner package. If you plan on purchasing a wideband O2 sensor for tuning (stock O2 narroband sensors are only accurate at 14.7:1 so can't be used with great confidence for WOT tuning, it's possible, but wideband is safer) then you'll want to add on the EIO option
The EIO option gives you 4 inputs (anything that outputs 0-5 volts can be logged... examples are wideband, fuel pressure, etc...) and 2 outputs (you can use it to activate relays to turn circuits on ... example... turn a nitrous system on only if my AFR is between 11.8:1 and 12.2:1 , or only when at 100% throttle, or only between 3000 RPM and 6000 RPM or only in 3rd gear .. )
PDA version is not available with HP Tuners. It sounds like they will have a Pocket PC version but I don't believe there's any release date currently as they are focusing on finishing 2.0 and finishing LS2 support right now
Go to their website (www.hptuners.com), under products, you can download the complete manual... it's a long read but explains alot of the tables you can modify ... there's ALOT it lets you modify
You'll want the base HP Tuner package. If you plan on purchasing a wideband O2 sensor for tuning (stock O2 narroband sensors are only accurate at 14.7:1 so can't be used with great confidence for WOT tuning, it's possible, but wideband is safer) then you'll want to add on the EIO option
The EIO option gives you 4 inputs (anything that outputs 0-5 volts can be logged... examples are wideband, fuel pressure, etc...) and 2 outputs (you can use it to activate relays to turn circuits on ... example... turn a nitrous system on only if my AFR is between 11.8:1 and 12.2:1 , or only when at 100% throttle, or only between 3000 RPM and 6000 RPM or only in 3rd gear .. )
PDA version is not available with HP Tuners. It sounds like they will have a Pocket PC version but I don't believe there's any release date currently as they are focusing on finishing 2.0 and finishing LS2 support right now
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Originally Posted by horist
Yes to all your questions about "can i tune after ...."
Go to their website (www.hptuners.com), under products, you can download the complete manual... it's a long read but explains alot of the tables you can modify ... there's ALOT it lets you modify
You'll want the base HP Tuner package. If you plan on purchasing a wideband O2 sensor for tuning (stock O2 narroband sensors are only accurate at 14.7:1 so can't be used with great confidence for WOT tuning, it's possible, but wideband is safer) then you'll want to add on the EIO option
The EIO option gives you 4 inputs (anything that outputs 0-5 volts can be logged... examples are wideband, fuel pressure, etc...) and 2 outputs (you can use it to activate relays to turn circuits on ... example... turn a nitrous system on only if my AFR is between 11.8:1 and 12.2:1 , or only when at 100% throttle, or only between 3000 RPM and 6000 RPM or only in 3rd gear .. )
PDA version is not available with HP Tuners. It sounds like they will have a Pocket PC version but I don't believe there's any release date currently as they are focusing on finishing 2.0 and finishing LS2 support right now
Go to their website (www.hptuners.com), under products, you can download the complete manual... it's a long read but explains alot of the tables you can modify ... there's ALOT it lets you modify
You'll want the base HP Tuner package. If you plan on purchasing a wideband O2 sensor for tuning (stock O2 narroband sensors are only accurate at 14.7:1 so can't be used with great confidence for WOT tuning, it's possible, but wideband is safer) then you'll want to add on the EIO option
The EIO option gives you 4 inputs (anything that outputs 0-5 volts can be logged... examples are wideband, fuel pressure, etc...) and 2 outputs (you can use it to activate relays to turn circuits on ... example... turn a nitrous system on only if my AFR is between 11.8:1 and 12.2:1 , or only when at 100% throttle, or only between 3000 RPM and 6000 RPM or only in 3rd gear .. )
PDA version is not available with HP Tuners. It sounds like they will have a Pocket PC version but I don't believe there's any release date currently as they are focusing on finishing 2.0 and finishing LS2 support right now
Sorry if i missed sumething, but how do i ude hp tuner , speaking in a hardware sense, where can i obtain the wire? I assume it goes into the diagnostic port ( red one) by the right knee in the drivers seat , i have a 1993 Camaro so it does not have OBD II, was just wondering if its possible to use on it
THANKS!
--EDIT -- Just looked on the website some more and saw the Vechicle Interface Cable. Still would like to know if this software works on a 93
Last edited by Tritonium; Mar 19, 2005 at 05:08 PM.
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Correct, it plugs into the diagnostic port, then you use the software to download the PCM info and make changes, then reflash the PCM
I believe 93 F-Bodies are chipped and don't have a programmable flash ... 94-97 F-Bodies have a programmable flash but HP Tuners doesn't work for these years at this time
I believe 93 F-Bodies are chipped and don't have a programmable flash ... 94-97 F-Bodies have a programmable flash but HP Tuners doesn't work for these years at this time
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Originally Posted by horist
Correct, it plugs into the diagnostic port, then you use the software to download the PCM info and make changes, then reflash the PCM
I believe 93 F-Bodies are chipped and don't have a programmable flash ... 94-97 F-Bodies have a programmable flash but HP Tuners doesn't work for these years at this time
I believe 93 F-Bodies are chipped and don't have a programmable flash ... 94-97 F-Bodies have a programmable flash but HP Tuners doesn't work for these years at this time
