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Old 11-09-2005, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Silverhawk_02TA
I definitely found that IAC operations were a big part of my cam surge. Through tuning spark and VE and all that good stuff, I was able to keep the surge to under 1200 rpm. Once I nailed the IAC vs Effective Area and RAF tables, it now only starts to surge at 900 rpm, and then only in 1st or 2nd gear. I can cruise all day in 6th at 800 rpm with no surging. I have the same cam you do, so you should be able to get similar results.

Definitely make sure your idle stuff is dead on, and also the idle proportional fueling like WS6FirebirdTA00 mentioned.
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Old 11-09-2005, 08:19 PM
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also, my iac motor stays constant when bucking occurs. it doesnt move around.
Old 11-09-2005, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WS6FirebirdTA00
also, my iac motor stays constant when bucking occurs. it doesnt move around.
Yeah, from what I've seen there's really no "key" or single parameter that's responsible for cam surge or a lack of it. I think it's more a factor of getting many parameters correct and playing nice with eachother, i.e. timing, VE, fueling, idle operations, etc. It's tracking down everything that's incorrect and correcting it that's the trick I think, and the culprits aren't necessarily going to be the same for everybody. Idle/IAC seemed to be playing a fairly large role in my cam surge, but modifying/disabling idle proportional fueling had no effect. And my O2's were healthy and oscillating nicely. With as many complex interdependencies as exist in the total operation of the PCM, tracking these things down can be quite a chore.
Old 11-09-2005, 08:58 PM
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its weird, i threw my old racetronix injectors on my friends ss and they werent acting nearly as odd as they were on my car. its allon what the car likes i guess
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Does anybody have wideband readings while the bucking is occuring?

Experiment with timing. I have been able to subdue it by adding a lot of timing in the affected region, along with carefull ve work.
Old 11-09-2005, 09:11 PM
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timing did nothing for me. no i have no wb for mine but i know the fuel trims go nuts, which is why i think its the prop fuel switching too far.
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Is the map unstable while its bucking, look at the cells its using while bucking, smooth them out and see if that helps.
Old 11-10-2005, 06:49 AM
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im not sure about the map but i would assume so, i know the dynamic airflow gets really spiky. and smooth what out?
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my bad. Smooth the VE table in the areas affected by the bucking. It sounds like the main cause is unstable fueling.
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mine is as slick as a babys ***, i wish that was the problem though i just think my car doesnt like me sometimes haha
Old 11-11-2005, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokingWS6
Does anybody have wideband readings while the bucking is occuring?

Experiment with timing. I have been able to subdue it by adding a lot of timing in the affected region, along with carefull ve work.
Check my post above. I have a few readings. Timing did not seem to help me either. I tried from 25 to 40. I am in the mid 20's now.

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Old 11-11-2005, 08:45 AM
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Who has a bin file for a cam that does not have any bucking? Id like to compare it to my bin to see how the hell you did it, cause as far as I can tell, it seems to be a mechanical issue and not tuning.
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ive got my old f10 tune. it didnt buck after a few changes to the ve.
Old 11-11-2005, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ninobrn99
ive got my old f10 tune. it didnt buck after a few changes to the ve.
My VE Table is very close using FlashScan's Autotune/BEN.

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Old 11-11-2005, 10:24 AM
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Bill, how is your effective area? is it all in line? i cant remember if you said that or not. stock TB?
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I eliminated almost all of my bucking in my 98 w/ a hotcam. If I'd had an auto you would have never felt anything. I am pretty sure the main problem was related to reversion and too much overlap. But with a good combination of ignition timine, VE table changes, MAF table changes, and base running airflow changes, it idled and ran almost completely like stock, with only an occasional bit of bucking, and no "cruise" action.
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When u guys say bucking,My car under cold start in revrse feels like a slight miis,bucking,chugging but as soon as I pull away it goes away until I come to a stop again under say 1500 rpm...If I pull to a light slowly Ifeel it once warmed up..If I come to a stop and hold my foot on the brake its non exsistant but if I take my foot off the brake and slowly pull away from the light I feel the bucking until about 1400 and thenit s gone again...

Is this what your describing cause its driving me crazy....
No codes of anykind,just this weird amonolie...
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Originally Posted by JS
When u guys say bucking,My car under cold start in revrse feels like a slight miis,bucking,chugging but as soon as I pull away it goes away until I come to a stop again under say 1500 rpm...If I pull to a light slowly Ifeel it once warmed up..If I come to a stop and hold my foot on the brake its non exsistant but if I take my foot off the brake and slowly pull away from the light I feel the bucking until about 1400 and thenit s gone again...

Is this what your describing cause its driving me crazy....
No codes of anykind,just this weird amonolie...
Yes. That is the amonolie we were referring to.
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Originally Posted by Another_User
Yes. That is the amonolie we were referring to.


Mine dosnt happen while im accelerating from a stop, no matter how slowly. But if I decelerate into it, or try and keep it at a constant speed, it gets pretty violent. FWIW.
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy


Mine dosnt happen while im accelerating from a stop, no matter how slowly. But if I decelerate into it, or try and keep it at a constant speed, it gets pretty violent. FWIW.
Oh yeah. it helps to re-enable DFCO once you get everything tweaked right. Saves gas too. If you have a cam DFCO pretty much won't work until you fix it.


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